EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 2

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As the other thread is full

www.politico.eu/article/commission-proposes-six-week-vaccine-export-ban-amid-fears-of-trade-war/

@MarshaBradyo

Listening now on R4 UDvL talking about extra powers but member states sound more reluctant

Merkel talking about importance of supply chains

So what's the point of view last weeks drama and cross words. Whats it achieved nothing New theoretical export powers Won't magic up more vaccines. How's pfizer delivered what article call as 10million bumper vaccines is that additional or ready early. I feel sure they think there's a stockpile in Netherlands to raid providing they can authorised that factory. The more I read the more I think our shortfall is az that was due from Europe. As pfizer say they on schedule they delivered more than I thought considering they were having yeild issues.

The commission can only do so much.
Each member state needs to improve the speed if vaccinations as that's thier power and none of them have zero backstock that I know of.

From MEPs speaking there’s no issue with Pfizer as EU MS have received their supply

So it’s really only to get AZ to supply

But surely that’s due to slower production in EU factories

Even juncker is ashamed of uruslas performance and criticising a ban ! For this man to say something like that against the Eu ...

Probably the nastiest thing I've read on here. I have no idea if English is your first language or if you are of a certain age but sayings that start "I'd like to say..." have an unspoken, "... so I won't" at the end. It doesn't come acros the same in text as it does when said out loud.

I'd like to say that I think all dogs are lovely. But they aren't all as nice as mine (so I won't)

I think nonono1 was saying that much as she thinks the EU as an organisation deserves an ill wind the fact that it would effect citizens, so wouldn't wish for it!

But what's the point in them blocking Az exports, when the grand total exported to the UK is 1 million doses, all before 1st Feb? They are quite literally blocking export of a product which is not being exported!

Which means there's an awful lot of noise, fuss, fury, and reputational damage to achieve feck all in terms of vaccine availability. The big things which would help availability in the EU are approving Halix, and encouraging those EU countries who are keeping the stuff in the fridge unwanted to start using it.

(And, long term, helping Az to set up more manufacturing sites.)

What this is doing, however, is diverting blame very nicely from UvdL and the EU procurement to everyone in splatter range. So I can only assume that blame shifting and arse covering is the goal.

I don't know! Something set this all in motion.

Given the constant stream of misinformation, fudging of facts, from all sides, I doubt we'll ever know the actual trigger, but I am assuming someone somewhere noticed the discrepency in contracts, supply etc. Or that the EU had grabbed something it, as an organisation, simpy isn't equipped to deal with and should have left to individual member countries, stepping in when specific needs were identified!

The trigger sounds like pure frustration

I was surprised at emotive reaction from one MEP really using damning terms re AZ

It’s a bit like threads on here about a company that someone feels has let them down

EC are using anything to try and change what they perceive to be unfair

Fortunately MS recognise production is a big issue and supply chains are important

Actually scrap that it was a Belgium MEP who talked about production issues and that mistakes were made as everyone concentrated on development but not so much production side

But still the phrase U.K. has had 10m but sent nothing back was used

That article is a dogs dinner
Not sure just sky being shit or content is poor.

So someone in eu is claiming Europe sent uk 10million az doses to UK.
Then udlv says 21 million vaccines sent to UK of which 1 million were az.
France claims they still don't know the origin of the 29million vaccines found in Italy last weekend
Sky keen to paint France as the villains.

If we paid for Dutch supply chain
If we ordered paid for vaccine to come from there and eu block it..
Thats bullying and theft.
Instead they going for let's lean on UK and they will share what's rightfully theres.
We shouldn't give them that get out jail free card.
We should issue clear statements about contract and shout eu only sent us 1 million az and that we have some stored in Netherlands that EU plan and they plan to take them as they not been doing so well.

We know where az made
We know where it bottled Italian bandit land.
Where do az components come from?

I hope that 1 article I read was correct that moderna coming from USA.

didn't someone mention that one third of the money to AZ to help production?

So instead of causing world wide anxiety over supplies, they could you know just support the manufacturing of a much needed vaccine. It comes down to penny pinching again. Then blame the countries who bankrolled the development and up scale of the bloody vaccine in the first place.

if all other countries and large organisations had taken the same route as the EU there would not be any vaccines available yet.

Twats

Thank you @CuriousaboutSamphire!

As for the internal fighting over proportional dispersal!!! Words almost fail me!

Yes, thankfully we don’t have to be part of that charade anymore at least!!

*didn't someone mention that one third of the money to AZ to help production has been paid by the EU yet?

I should have checked what I wrote before I posted.

So instead of causing world wide anxiety over supplies, they could you know just support the manufacturing of a much needed vaccine.

Exactly - if they got on with practical ways of making things better rather than arguing and mud slinging perhaps they’d be in a better position than they are now. They look extremely undignified on the world stage and that’s an understatement!

*hasn't
FFS

The EUs big bets were Sanofi / Curevac.

How many of those vaccines delivered.

The UK lucked out buying Pfizer and buying it early.

We have also had massive delivery shortages with AZ but because we make it here we've got a guaranteed supply even if it is not quite as much as we want.

The EU made decisions that didn't work out brilliantly. Az were over ambitious but even then the EU should have been asking questions and realising it wasn't really that feasible.

Although AZ boss said they never committed, only said they would try.

Even if they had had similar ratios of AZ delivered as us, they still wouldn't be as far ahead. The difference is massive.

Az deliveries are not the only reason the EU's vaccination drive is lagging.

If it was just the US they would say - they are greedy, we are helping the world and try and excuse it that way.

The hardest thing for them to take, and the reason for all of the threats thrown at the UK is because we are doing well.

Curevac: EU left to die, they promised massive investment to them, then eventually only managed to stump up a 75mil loan.

in Feb this year, UK and 2 big pharma companies have partnered with Curevac to get it moving again.

They will manufacture next generation vaccines in UK hopefully later in the year.

@NewYearNewTwatName

Curevac: EU left to die, they promised massive investment to them, then eventually only managed to stump up a 75mil loan.

in Feb this year, UK and 2 big pharma companies have partnered with Curevac to get it moving again.

They will manufacture next generation vaccines in UK hopefully later in the year.

Do you have links to this as thought Germany invested heavily in curevac They have a lot of curevac on order.

This is a interesting article
Because they manufacture in the block they think it gives them power.
So they not keen on Russia

www.politico.eu/article/new-global-vaccine-fight-follows-old-diplomatic-playbook/

So has the eu exported 1 million or 10million az does to UK.
Both are a drop in the ocean.
Do we have option increase pfizer if janson is delayed.

We due 20million more pfizer
17million more moderna

How big is over 18 population.?

Everyone ordered more than they needed on paper as we dident know which would even work or be ready soonest.
The current vaccines we rowing about are 1st gen.
I assume ones produced later in year will be more suited to other varients so everyone in uk will need 3rd jab and we need a vaccine safe and suitable to give kids.
Then after that we will need annual covid jabs like flu?

3asAbird

I posted all the links on the last thread. I'll see if I can find them on my phone again.

There were 3 links in total I think. A telegraph link, acurevac link and an EC statement.

Curevac: EU left to die, they promised massive investment to them, then eventually only managed to stump up a 75mil loan. That was not really made clear earlier was it?

UK and others invested in the hope of vaccine development.

Many countries paid for many more doses than they could use, not knowing which vaccines would become viable; some of those countries have pledged many millioons of doses to Covax

The EU took time to dicker down the price of an at cost vaccine, to give member states the best deal but taking away the slight margin hat would have allowed doses to be added to the Covax pile

The EU didn't give money, it gave a relatively small loan. They also did not pay up front for the doses they expect to receive

It's as if those involved in procurement made no allowances whatsoever for the reality of a novel virus, a brand new set of vaccines, new manufacturing and the combined efforts of scientists and manufacturers to get any of it made in the first place.

How big is over 18 population.?

54.1 million in the UK in 2017, according to Alexa (lazy)

@nonono1

Probably the nastiest thing I've read on here.

@QuentinInQuarantino I don’t care a dime what you think. I’ve lost almost everything I’ve worked for thanks to the pandemic and now the EU’s actions are making things even worse. And I did say I wouldn’t actually wish that!

I quoted your full post so you've wasted that backtrack attempt.

You hoped people in 27 different countries would struggle to feed their families because of a couple of politicians in Brussels. That's disgusting. I'm not glad your business is failing, but it couldn't happen to a nicer person.

I also read links from beginning and mid last year, with the large amount being boasted about but by I think November that was when the amount was down by a lot.

I think Germany put in 300mil at the beginning. which is a lot. But by comparison as to how much companies need to develop produce and up scale, it's not a substantial amount.

Given that UK gov have just paid 147mil to speed up the valneva production.

You hoped people in 27 different countries would struggle to feed their families because of a couple of politicians in Brussels. That's disgusting. I'm not glad your business is failing, but it couldn't happen to a nicer person.

Read my post above, she didn't. You just didn't understand a fairly common idiom!

And your own response is fairly vile and much more personal!

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-emmanuel-macron-says-the-eu-failed-to-shoot-for-the-stars-over-vaccine-rollouts-12256479

I think this is surprisingly honest. Tbf, even our MPs were laughing at Hancock for being so optimistic about vaccines as late as October. Thank fuck we had Bingham at the helm and she didn't sit around on her arse sipping cocktails over the summer.

OK curevac looking promising
Initially German company collaborating with bayer which I think is French and glaxo which is British.
The article mentions working closely with uk vaccine task force.
50 million doses for the UK on order
Trials in UK and implied manufacturing also within UK.
In 3rd round of trials.
Not sure how much hard money we invested.

www.curevac.com/en/2021/02/05/curevac-and-uk-government-to-collaborate-on-development-of-vaccines-against-sars-cov-2-variants/

Do we think both uk and eu will meet vaccination target by end of summer 2021.
Curevac I assume is booster vaccines and who knows what new varients will appear as we heard about double varient in India and new York varient as well as obscure Brittany varient.