Holidays abroad are illegal from Monday

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html

Along with any other unnecessary travel abroad.

I actually think the UK is being controlled by the Davos crowd.

Well it's one way to ensure all the money people have saved up that's now burning a hole in their pocket gets spent in the uk and boosts the economy.
Bet this time next year the ban will magically be lifted.

@MagpieSong vaccination is absolutely being forced onto you if you are a care home worker, and it's a slippery slope. If they introduce vaccines for travel the people will have to get it to see families. It's not just about holidays, it's about travelling for work and to see loved ones.

It's easy to write everything off as reasonable during a pandemic, but the government are using fear to introduce laws unlawfully, it's becoming more and more ridiculous each week but thankfully people are starting to wake up. Will you feel so compliant if they bring in the October lockdown law extension on Thursday?

Next we will have covid passports to leave the country and a social credits system. The economy will be fucked and they will. 'rescue' us with a small universal income in exchange for our rights and freedoms. I hope I am wrong. I hope I have to eat my own words.

@Teamox

I was just about to say 'Where has this news come from, as it's illegal right now' as *@notimagain* has linked to... but then I scrolled up again to see it's the Daily Mail.

wails of North Korea

All of this. I think that the North Korea parallels are particularly disgusting, when many people there are living horrific lives (and have been for decades) under brutal repression. If you go on a bus, you'll see one or two of 20 or more people wearing a mask fully and correctly (most on the mouth only or under the chin, saw one as a headband the other day), there are minimal or no checks for most people on leaving the country, we're hardly going hard-line on restrictions

Foreign holidays are lovely, we all want them back, but they aren't a human right. Putting it in the same category as the right to protest makes you look entitled and silly.
Right to family life is a human right. Many native people seem to forget that Britain is a very diverse society, and for many British residents and citizens their only family is abroad.

I disagree with fining people for this. Those alleged to have acted in contravention of this law should have to appear in the magistrates court, plead an exemption if they think there is one, and if found guilty have their passport withdrawn for a period of time.

The courts should judge, not have the police or Borders Agency be judge and jury.

Looking at what is happening in France and Italy, I'm all in favour of reducing our chances of it spreading to here.

@Parker231

Wow - some overreacting here. The U.K. is doing well on the vaccination programme, the majority of other countries aren’t. Why jeopardise the progress we’ve made in reducing the numbers of cases and deaths.

Exactly.

It's weird - Aus and NZ have done this for a year, in fact, they completely shut their borders, along with other very strict measures (lockdown because of 5 cases etc) and not once have I heard anyone talk about how they are sliding into totalitarianism or anything like that. Mostly, it's about how we should have done what they did etc.

the government are using fear to introduce laws unlawfully

I agree.

Whilst we are nowhere near North Korea, the government is introducing limits to our freedoms which they can use to protect themselves because of their appalling policies which people will soon begin to see and protest against. They have ignored many present parliamentary restrictions already - they will be able to do so with impunity if laws such as this are introduced.

Once begun, this is a slippery slope.

Its really interesting to watch the conspiracy theories climb over this past year. It must be linked with feeling frightened and unsettled and maybe bored... is it better to think that the government "wants to get us under their control" rather than face the mundane alternatives such as -

It's a global issue, the UK is not the only government enacting restrictions.
The virus is a real thing.
The virus is random and not influenced by how fed up you are.
There is nothing to gain by tanking the economy.
Our government are just really really poor. Not in the sinister overload sense, more like the haven't got a fucking clue.
Lurching from false promise to false promise is what got us here

I don't expect an answer, but I wonder why some people would rather believe it's a plan with an end goal of destroying life as we know it, rather than a series of bad decisions by a reactive government

Another one deeply concerned about limits on basic freedom and government disregard for civil liberties and personal responsibility.

Posters are objecting to comments which draw parallels with North Korea. But many repressive regimes have started with the populace accepting government ‘making them safe’ through repression. Just as the U.K. is doing at the moment.

Totally confused now.

How many people have had Covid? How many people have been vaccinated? Surely we're close to immunity for these reasons, like we used to enjoy with measles?

I have a right wing/Tory relative who for years has bleated about too many human rights, look at that man who got stay in U.K. because of a cat, all rights no responsibilities, voted Brexit to leave ECJ, things social justice warriors should be jailed.

Now on FB they are bleating about their freedoms and rights.

I’m due to point out the irony today

@Juliesipadwillcallyouback

It's weird - Aus and NZ have done this for a year, in fact, they completely shut their borders, along with other very strict measures (lockdown because of 5 cases etc) and not once have I heard anyone talk about how they are sliding into totalitarianism or anything like that. Mostly, it's about how we should have done what they did etc.

We’ve had lament about not being like Aus / NZ for so long on here. So many threads and posts saying why can’t we do what they did.

Obvs those posters might go quiet now but still, I don’t recall NK mentioned for them.

It's because they don't want to undo all the good work of the vaccination programme. We will be able to travel domestically and pubs, bars, non essential retail open again. In fact pretty much back to normal, except no international travel. So similar to Aus / NZ.

I didn’t know it wasn’t already illegal but this^^. I think I’d rather something like normality here. The whole of this pandemic people have been saying ‘why couldn’t we have been like Aus/NZ’? There are variants lurking that they believe the vaccine and natural immunity are in not affective against. Can you imagine next autumn/ winter being just like this one? No thanks.

@Tumbleweed101

I think it wouldn’t have been necessary to make it a law if people were sensible enough to put holidays abroad on hold til next year. But last summer and reading threads on here show that people consider it a right not a privilege to be able to travel abroad.

I agree with it being in place until everyone has been offered a vaccination who wants one and possibly until a decision is made about how children can travel because they will pick up COVID even if vaccinated parents don’t and potentially bring it back to the UK.

We need to see how effective the vaccination program has been to the vulnerable and we will likely get an idea of that next winter.

Think the restrictions should have a time limit though and be reviewed regularly depending on how the pandemic is progressing in other areas of the world.

I don’t want to live with domestic restrictions much longer and if that is a compromise to it then it is one that I can live with. I should add I enjoy travel too but getting normal UK life back is a bigger priority.

I don't need to write my post now

I still struggle with the fact that people have been travelling abroad for holidays through this. It felt inevitable last year when people were coming back from their ski trips to Italy. And then went abroad for holidays in the summer.

I can manage without a holiday in another country for a few years. And I don't see why there was a need to make this illegal, we are adults and need to think about the consequences of our actions. So had people not been so entitled then they would not need to impose these things.

I have had a quick scan of the thread, but just wanted to say, that once again its a rule for the rich and a rule for everyone else.

The loophole for 2nd homes is still there. Which goes to show who is being punished more and while I agree, travel should still be restricted, it should be restricted for all

@forinborin

Foreign holidays are lovely, we all want them back, but they aren't a human right. Putting it in the same category as the right to protest makes you look entitled and silly. Right to family life is a human right. Many native people seem to forget that Britain is a very diverse society, and for many British residents and citizens their only family is abroad.

Of course foreign travel/holidays are a right (outside of war time) - being able to leave ones country has been a right for centuries, many might not have been able to afford it but thats always been the case.

I believe the govt will not allow any foreign holiday travel (accept for themselves) perhaps for many years, the talk from Johnson etc is a 3rd wave, vigilance etc blah blah blah.
He wants people to stay in this country to boost uk economy and not europes.

Care workers by the very nature of their title, need to take care of others that are vulnerable. Unless they have an exemption it’s absolutely right that they should be vaccinated. If they feel that strongly, perhaps they’re in the wrong job. Who could live with themselves for taking the virus into a vulnerability person’s home when they had the opportunity not to?

It’s not as if you can have the foreign holiday you want anyway. They’re in a worse situation. If you’re anti government, what about other governments? Why would the whole world, who can’t agree on most things, get together to ruin their economies?

@IloveJKRowling

Good, holidays abroad aren't essential in any universe. There is a long list of exceptions of essential travel (including funerals, childcare and many other legitimate reasons to travel).

When so many people are dying it seems a bit much that some people get to spread covid around just so they can get a beach holiday.

I’m glad too. Not sure there should have been a childcare exemption as no one would have to go abroad for that when services are readily available in the UK.

If we can make it safer here we can open up. I’d rather have our economy on track, schools safer and freedoms here than just a holiday. I want my children to have a decent future, they can holiday for years to come abroad if they wish.

Of course foreign travel/holidays are a right (outside of war time) - being able to leave ones country has been a right for centuries, many might not have been able to afford it but thats always been the case.
What I meant is that different reasons for travelling abroad probably have different degrees of being essential. Seeing a family is essential to me, and I would happy forfeit my right to a lazy package holiday for the next 50 years if I can have that now.