Holidays abroad are illegal from Monday

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html

Along with any other unnecessary travel abroad.

@Itsalonghaul

flinstones You are not going to live the rest of your life in purgatory, it is a holiday ffs!

You can holiday anywhere in the UK and channel isles, hardly a massive hardship when we think of what has happened.

Seriously get a grip. It is hysterical and selfish to be so angry about one summer holiday. Most of us knew this would be the case, how anyone is surprised is beyond me!

I think it's you who needs to get a grip! You sound hysterical! I am entitled to an opinion. I wouldn't holiday in this country ever, I wouldn't waste a penny on it. It will be packed in this country wherever you go. I like to holiday away from people! I wonder why!?

Itsalonghaul We have two choices, just two:

1) We either carry on travelling and bring back new variants and cancel out all of the progress we have made with vaccines, and go back to square one in a lockdown and all that entails.

Or

2) We stay at home this year for a holiday, we bank the vaccine progress and we have some kind of normality and quality of life

You CANT have both!!!!!

Its not that simple. I don't think that many people are objecting to giving up a second year of freedom/holidays, its that people are afraid its always "just another year of restrictions" to beat the virus. At first it was going to be 3 weeks, then 6 weeks, to save the NHS. Then it was a year. Now its 2 years.

The Coronavirus Act 2020 has a sunset clause in March 2022 but of course it can be extended year by year after that.

We are in a fairly unique position as an island nation - one which lends itself to government control preventing us from leaving it. That has all sorts of other consequences. For one, people can be coerced to some extent into accepting lower standards in the UK, because they cannot travel abroad to compare how better these things are done there.

@Itsasin1981 Whereas for those many people who have died of Covid... Well that's kind of permanent?
I haven't been on holiday abroad for about a decade and I'm good. It's not essential. I've had some bloody brilliant family holidays in the UK.

Love this.

They should shut the borders! New zealand have it right, we should have shut the borders at the beginning and we wouldn’t be in this mess!!

borders are shut

10 seconds of it’s too late, we should have shut the borders at the beginning.

borders remain shut

What? I can’t go to spain for my all inclusive 2 weeks? It’s a communist state, open the borders, give me my freedom!!!!

So it is two years, so what? Most of the world have never been on one holiday much less every year.

The entitlement on this thread, the sheer indulgence of believing your holiday is more important than everything else, after all we have been through is staggering.

I truly believed MOST people had learnt during this pandemic some humility, wisdom and compassion. We have been through so much collectively trust and it is exactly people like you that will ensure we will have to keep suffering and dying because your needs come first.

Can you not see how insignificant a holiday is when we think of the consequences? Are you really that selfish?

a year too late

[quote fromdownwest]@LemonTT

These measures were put in using some very very basic and untested modelling. The numbers have fallen well below the hard numbers that were used to introduce lockdown, yet they are being ignored in opening back up again.

We have a vaccine, the numbers are falling massively, I do not see why questioning why we are still in lockdown means I wear a tin hat.

If I have told you the following a year ago, then you would have thought I was crazy

-What I have to weat

• Whom I can see
• What I can buy in a super market (I live in Wales)
• My children will go without school for a year
• I can not see my family
• Travelling abroad is illegal
• I can not drive to a beach 9 miles away without being stopped and fined by the police
• The government can draft in theory any law they like overnight without any parlimenatary discussion or review

This is the reality of where we are, no tin foil hats, just a very very concerned citixen of a 'democratic' society.[/quote]
You post simply sets out what your are fed up about. It doesn’t demonstrate any threat to democracy in the long term. Because this is part of democracy and always has been. We expect our governments to be able and willing to protect us from certain threats.

These are universally acknowledged to include public health emergencies. A global pandemic is one of those. There is still a global pandemic. It’s only controlled by government measures here in the UK.

@jellybellybanana

Wigannorthwest Well said, if we can't go abroad this year it will be horrendous & absolutely packed in this country wherever you go from a local park, shops to the beach with every man & his dog!! How will that be safer????

Because most people will stay at home, and no new variants will be brought in from overseas

We have to learn to live with new variants, we can't do this forever! As I've said if your scared you stay at home.

bluebluezoo

Agreed. They will say anything to fuel unrest and bash the government. It's comical actually

I’m abit annoyed if I’m honest. My mother is a raging conspiracy theorist and comes out with all this “control bull*) and now after a year it’s kind of happening. Not too the lengths she says but it is slowly getting there.

Pisses me off when she is right, because it makes me look stupid when at the beginning of this she was the stupid one! The tables do seem to be turning much to my annoyance.

@FurrySlipperBoots

Wait, you mean they were legal up til now?!

Technically you could take a foreign holiday as long as you didn't leave home for a non-essential purpose. So they were de facto banned.

Stay at home will shortly be finishing so this will close the loophole so that they are de jure banned.

@SignsofSpring

I think it's a timely reminder that our lives are not, and never have been, our own. We now live in ways unthinkable a year ago- masks on our faces, not allowed (legally) to see relatives in our own homes, not allowed to travel more than 5 miles from our house, not allowed to travel abroad. No right to a private life, no right to see your partner if you want to have sex (and they live with someone else), no right to protest (well, allowed to if the police allow you to, not if no).

I don't necessarily disagree some of this was necessary. Unprecedented times and all that. I don't agree with making it illegal to see who you choose in your own home though and I want to see all these powers rowed back asap.

You forgot the no right to peaceful protest too!

Its just going on and on. The ECHR derogations clause firmly states that restrictions on human rights must be as short term as possible and only used where the safety of the entire nation as a whole is in imminent risk. There is clearly an ongoing massive breach by the UK Government of the ECHR, and I would suggest that is due to the current government wanting to avoid any possible blame for any alleged excess deaths, and keeping themselves electable, rather than any great concern about human life (otherwise the rest of the NHS, cancer treatment, diagnosis, etc wouldn't have ground to a halt).

@Itsalonghaul

So it is two years, so what? Most of the world have never been on one holiday much less every year.

The entitlement on this thread, the sheer indulgence of believing your holiday is more important than everything else, after all we have been through is staggering.

I truly believed MOST people had learnt during this pandemic some humility, wisdom and compassion. We have been through so much collectively trust and it is exactly people like you that will ensure we will have to keep suffering and dying because your needs come first.

Can you not see how insignificant a holiday is when we think of the consequences? Are you really that selfish?

What do you think we've been doing for a year! For the greater good I've done as I should, my children have given up child's lives for others but now enough is enough.

@Itsalonghaul I totally agree. Some people honestly think a holiday abroad is essential. As I said, I haven't been abroad for about a decade and I'm still here to tell the tale!

@LemonTT

Thank you for your measured and informative posts. Unfortunately some appear to be determined to not 'understand'

There’s always going to be new variants for many years to come. Are we just going to never see family abroad/travel again and have our airlines and international tourism crumble? I think, when everyone in the UK is vaccinated (adults) by June, there is nothing else we can realistically do so we may as well allow foreign travel this summer-or accept it will never happen again. Nothing is going to change in the next couple of years-there will still be new variants and much of the world won’t be vaccinated. We’ll have to learn to live with the risk of variants at some point, why not limit the damage to the travel industry and allow it this summer once everyone here is vaccinated.

@tangerinelollipop Agreed.

@WiganNorthWest

There’s always going to be new variants for many years to come. Are we just going to never see family abroad/travel again and have our airlines and international tourism crumble? I think, when everyone in the UK is vaccinated (adults) by June, there is nothing else we can realistically do so we may as well allow foreign travel this summer-or accept it will never happen again. Nothing is going to change in the next couple of years-there will still be new variants and much of the world won’t be vaccinated. We’ll have to learn to live with the risk of variants at some point, why not limit the damage to the travel industry and allow it this summer once everyone here is vaccinated.

Same here.

@WiganNorthWest

There’s always going to be new variants for many years to come. Are we just going to never see family abroad/travel again and have our airlines and international tourism crumble? I think, when everyone in the UK is vaccinated (adults) by June, there is nothing else we can realistically do so we may as well allow foreign travel this summer-or accept it will never happen again. Nothing is going to change in the next couple of years-there will still be new variants and much of the world won’t be vaccinated. We’ll have to learn to live with the risk of variants at some point, why not limit the damage to the travel industry and allow it this summer once everyone here is vaccinated.

I agree with you 100%

@Flinstones A holiday abroad isn't essential. I'm sure your children will be fine missing out on one for a year? Mine are 10 and 13 and have never been abroad and they're happy!

Okay lets do it your way flinstones lets throw open the borders, protest in our thousands, party like its 1969 and then in four weeks time you will be the first to be howling when we are locked down for another four months.

Your kids will be at home again with their mental health declining by the second, your job will be gone, your house and mortgage will be next. The economy will go into free fall, and we will no longer be able to fund the NHS to help the dying and then what?

All for your week on the costas.

Most of us knew international travel was probably off the cards, most of us are grateful to simply have our kids back in school and some family parties in the garden this spring, a drink with friends in the pubs, a holiday somewhere in the UK will be 'good enough' for most of us, if it means we can avoid a third wave.

If you don't think UK holidays are good enough for you, then stay the fuck home, at least that way we won't kill another 100,00 in the process.

Agree @WiganNorthWest

With regard to the previous posters I am fully aware there is a pandemic and, no, my home is not lined with tin foil.
We are, however, accepting more and more restrictions on our freedom. You may be happy with that, I’m not.

I don’t need/want to go on holiday abroad.

It’s not missing a holiday that bothers me. It’s the fact it’s illegal. Adding to the control our government now has over us.

Plus there’s enough Kent variant etc to pass amongst us in crowded U.K. holiday destinations. Having some of us go abroad spreads us out and is safer or just the same level of risk.

No but it’s not safe to be getting across borders right now. Many countries haven’t started their vaccination programs it’s nothing all about our week in the sun. Most of these companies have billions stored offshore maybe they can dip into that. Or maybe travel will change and some jobs in that industry will be lost and people need to retrain. We don’t need to do things as we always did.