Does anyone know the SURVIVAL rate of CV-19?

[FluWorldOrder]

Or where I can find this information?

All I see and hear day in and day out are what feel like fear mongering stories in the press.

We are told asymptomatic transmission occurs and yet apparently we will be struck down in the prime of our lives by this virus. So if we can have the virus and have no symptoms of it how does this work? Presumably we will have some symptoms if we’re on deaths door.

Anyway, does anyone know where I can find the statistics on survival rather than focusing on death, death, death?

You need to google "infection fatality rate" which is not same as "case fatality rate". And no one knows the true answer with great confidence, plus it's age dependent.

At the moment it's about 97% of known cases have survived but there will be many more people who survived who didn't get tested. Particularly those who caught it early on who couldn't get tested or those who were asymptomatic who didn't know to get tested.

Currently 99.6% of known cases are mild and of the 0.4% that are serious/critical, some will still survive through medical care.

Obviously the individual risks and survival odds depend on age, health, where you live, access to healthcare etc. And you would have to have it first.

The best estimates seem to put the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) for countries like the UK at around 0.7%. So survival is 99.3%.

But if you think 99.3% sounds good - remember that 0.7% of the UK population is about half a million people.

Currently 99.6% of known cases are mild

Where on earth have you got that from?

From onset of symptoms to deterioration requiring hospitalisation typically takes about a week. Look at the patients admitted to hospital stats compared to the new cases a week previously - it's over 10% of known cases which end up in hospital.

it used to be a higher proportion, but is falling as vaccines take effect in older and vulnerable groups

It’s one minus the infection fatality rate. Not a difficult sum to do.

@PuzzledObserver

Currently 99.6% of known cases are mild

Where on earth have you got that from?

From onset of symptoms to deterioration requiring hospitalisation typically takes about a week. Look at the patients admitted to hospital stats compared to the new cases a week previously - it's over 10% of known cases which end up in hospital.

it used to be a higher proportion, but is falling as vaccines take effect in older and vulnerable groups

Obviously they make up the numbers.

They also leave out what "mild" means since many "mild" cases have resulted in people being ill for months and forced to give up their jobs and careers.

But it's all just part of the" covid is a government plot to keep the masses under control" conspiracy, that's taken over from "5G is about brainwave control" as their favoured topic to rant about for now.

@ExcusesAndAccusations

It’s one minus the infection fatality rate. Not a difficult sum to do.

I was thinking that! Though I'm guessing you mean 100.

But yes, as pp have said, it's age dependent. Also varies depending on physical health, ethnicity and sex. So a generic SURVIVAL RATE would be pretty meaningless for you, OP.

Presumably we will have some symptoms if we’re on deaths door.

..........yes.......... I think you would notice.........

I don’t know of this helps. In Switzerland 9,509 people have died of Covid. The population last census (2018) was 8.54 million and total Covid cases - eg tested cases 581k. Recovered 318k From Google. But of course each country has different numbers due to a variety of factors.

I think that as far as the statistics are concerned, "mild" means "didn't need hospital treatment". However, there are loads of people who have been very ill for weeks on end, but didn't need hospital treatment.

Its not just about survival - the long term impact of covid on survivors is a serious issue. I am constantly being told that i am unlikely to die from Covid by anti vaxers but that is not what I am worried about . I had Covid a year ago and 2020 was a write off for me as I suffered for months afterwards.

Thank you for your responses. Yes, I figured it would depend on a range of factors. Presumably young children won’t fare as badly as those say 80+ who may already be in ill health etc etc. This thread isn’t about vaccination. I for one would like to maintain a right to choose what I inject into my body. You don’t need to be an ‘anti-vaxer’ for that. Given these vaccines are a first of its kind people have a right to be cautious imo.

The 0.4% being critical can’t be right. For a start the population fatality rate of Covid in the U.K. is about 0.2%.

We’d be pretty near to natural herd immunity by now if that was the case.

As a rough rule of thumb your personal chance of dying if you get Covid is the same as the chance would have been of you dying of natural causes in the next year. So that’s tiny for a healthy fifteen year old, but much higher for a very sick person or a ninety year old. It may be higher for people with certain specific conditions.

And by the way I did mean that the survival rate is one minus the fatality rate - the whole number one is equal to 100% for those of you who skipped KS1 maths.

This thread isn’t about vaccination. I for one would like to maintain a right to choose what I inject into my body. You don’t need to be an ‘anti-vaxer’ for that. Given these vaccines are a first of its kind people have a right to be cautious imo.

So it is actually another anti-vaccination thread?

Its above 99% without a vaccine.

No doubt the figures will be different the end of this year once everyone is vaccinated.

That's why it absolute baffles me over the hysteria over a 3rd wave and continued restrictions.
The vaccines have very high efficiency rates, so come May when all the over 50s and vulnerable are vaccinated, this is all so people don't get flu like symptoms

An average Brit's chance of dying 'with Covid' today was about 1 in 2 million (1 in 2,060,000)

That's 33 deaths.

And of dying of anything else about 1 in 42,000.

That's 1,600 deaths

68,000,000 of us, (27,600,000 already jabbed!) remain Locked Down to 'Protect the NHS'.

Below 60 or 65 the fatality rate is lower than for flu.

So it is actually another anti-vaccination thread?

The OP's username was probably your first clue that they were coming with conspiracies.

The OP's username was probably your first clue that they were coming with conspiracies.

Yes indeed.

Once the dust has settled we will look back and think "What the fuck did we do?". So much pain and suffering for so many people.

There we go again.

No it’s not an anti-vax thread. Informed consent and the right to have bodily autonomy are pretty important in my book. So basically in light of the latest responses we’re being had. Shutting down the entire globe for a virus with over 99% survival rate? Ok then, makes sense.

As a rough rule of thumb your personal chance of dying if you get Covid is the same as the chance would have been of you dying of natural causes in the next year. So that’s tiny for a healthy fifteen year old, but much higher for a very sick person or a ninety year old. It may be higher for people with certain specific conditions.

And that there is why I can barely even talk about this topic anymore. It messes with your natural human instincts, ones which have developed over thousands of years.

And here I am confined to my house having to support a population level anxiety disorder.

@hamstersarse

As a rough rule of thumb your personal chance of dying if you get Covid is the same as the chance would have been of you dying of natural causes in the next year. So that’s tiny for a healthy fifteen year old, but much higher for a very sick person or a ninety year old. It may be higher for people with certain specific conditions.

And that there is why I can barely even talk about this topic anymore. It messes with your natural human instincts, ones which have developed over thousands of years.

And here I am confined to my house having to support a population level anxiety disorder.

But there is the risk of long COVID and other prolonged issues. I know fir healthy people who had strokes secondary to COVID. They didn’t require hospital care so they had what would be described as a mild case. And if you want to see what happens if you don’t take appropriate public health measures look at the disaster happening in Brazil at the moment. And there are lots of people dying there who are in their thirties and forties. So saying that we are confined to our houses to support a population anxiety disorder suggests an extremely superficial understanding of the situation