Does anyone know the SURVIVAL rate of CV-19?

[FluWorldOrder]

Or where I can find this information?

All I see and hear day in and day out are what feel like fear mongering stories in the press.

We are told asymptomatic transmission occurs and yet apparently we will be struck down in the prime of our lives by this virus. So if we can have the virus and have no symptoms of it how does this work? Presumably we will have some symptoms if we’re on deaths door.

Anyway, does anyone know where I can find the statistics on survival rather than focusing on death, death, death?

Yes. People do question, link, discuss, and sometimes discredit. it's what should happen really.

Correction 1,200 a deaths a day who tested positive for Covid within 28 days of dying.

Ultimately the chances of dying of Covid are small and yet here we are locked up.

Maybe cigarettes, alcohol and unhealthy food will banned to stop thousands of preventable deaths each year...oh no wait, that would be taking peoples choice away, taking personal responsibility away now wouldn't it

Soon people will start to realise that this whole thing has been planned and rolled out by big pharma, governments and media - what is happening is making the rich richer and the poor or average poorer.
This is a way to control the masses - and it’s working

Meanwhile as women / females - we are systematically being eroded as a species, I find it a massive coincidence the two are happening parallel!

@GoddessKali

Soon people will start to realise that this whole thing has been planned and rolled out by big pharma, governments and media - what is happening is making the rich richer and the poor or average poorer. This is a way to control the masses - and it’s working

Meanwhile as women / females - we are systematically being eroded as a species, I find it a massive coincidence the two are happening parallel!

It's all Bill Gates, right? Or did big pharma bioengineer the virus, with the help of the media?

When did women become a species?

You think the most libertarian government we've ever had, that's obsessed with personal responsibility, small statist to the extreme and would sell it's grandmother to the highest bidder wants to control us ?
We are locked up because the same party of government has systematically underfunded the nhs over the years and sold bits off to numerous private companies/cronies solely out to make a quick buck. It was never in a fit state to deal with a pandemic like this hence lockdown which because of their typically half hearted cynical approach wasn't even that draconian.

@starfish88

At the moment it's about 97% of known cases have survived but there will be many more people who survived who didn't get tested. Particularly those who caught it early on who couldn't get tested or those who were asymptomatic who didn't know to get tested.

Currently 99.6% of known cases are mild and of the 0.4% that are serious/critical, some will still survive through medical care.

Obviously the individual risks and survival odds depend on age, health, where you live, access to healthcare etc. And you would have to have it first.

I think you have an error here @starfish88 - did you mean it the other way round, that 99.6% of people survive and 97% of cases are mild?

@MrsHastingslikethebattle

Correction 1,200 a deaths a day who tested positive for Covid within 28 days of dying.

Ultimately the chances of dying of Covid are small and yet here we are locked up.

Maybe cigarettes, alcohol and unhealthy food will banned to stop thousands of preventable deaths each year...oh no wait, that would be taking peoples choice away, taking personal responsibility away now wouldn't it

What a ridiculous argument. Cigarettes , alcohol and unhealthy food cause ongoing health problems but are not infectious, cases don’t rise in an exponential way, and the NHS has the capacity to cope. And if huge numbers of people contract COVID increase dramatically the numbers dying increase hugely . I think some people on here are now being goady. Can’t believe they have such a limited understanding of what is happening .

@MrsHastingslikethebattle

An average Brit's chance of dying 'with Covid' today was about 1 in 2 million (1 in 2,060,000)

That's 33 deaths.

And of dying of anything else about 1 in 42,000.

That's 1,600 deaths

68,000,000 of us, (27,600,000 already jabbed!) remain Locked Down to 'Protect the NHS'.

That tweet is simplistic in the extreme. Your individual risk of dying from COVID is much more complicated than that. Here is a paper about it from the BMJ . Think I trust that more than a tweet from some skeptic www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3259

And most people who have received the vaccine have only had one dose - so very many of us are not fully protected

I wouldn’t bungee jump where 1 out of every hundred people jumping fell to their death!

@MrsHastingslikethebattle

Correction 1,200 a deaths a day who tested positive for Covid within 28 days of dying.

Ultimately the chances of dying of Covid are small and yet here we are locked up.

Maybe cigarettes, alcohol and unhealthy food will banned to stop thousands of preventable deaths each year...oh no wait, that would be taking peoples choice away, taking personal responsibility away now wouldn't it

So 1,200 is fever than the number of people who actually died from covid then, since anyone who had covid but died after 28 days isn’t counted.

@psychomath it's the data from worldometer and the 97% is for the whole pandemic. At the beginning we were testing only the very I'll and this was true for a lot of the world so of the cases that we know about, 3% died but there were loads more cases that just weren't diagnosed.

The 99.6% figure is in relation to current cases now we are testing much more, again this relates to almost all countries ramping up testing. So of those, the proportion who are very ill is smaller as we are picking up many more asymptomatic cases now. This figure is starting to fall in line with the infection fatality rate (IFR) rather than the case fatality rate (CFR) because of this although since not all the serious cases will die, IFR will be lower still. Normally IFR can only be estimated afterwards and is much lower than the CFR because of asymptomatic cases and people who didn't need medical treatment.

What a ridiculous argument. Cigarettes , alcohol and unhealthy food cause ongoing health problems but are not infectious, cases don’t rise in an exponential way, and the NHS has the capacity to cope.

That’s not really true. Lifestyle illnesses account for over 50% of the NHS budgets. So if people didn’t abuse their bodies with toxic food and alcohol, the NHS would not be in the state it is in.

The obesity epidemic has grown extraordinarily fast over the last few decades, so although it might not be the fast hit surge that COVID brings, arguably it is worse when not an infectious disease. A surge from covid would be over relatively quickly, obesity is death by a hundred cuts....first high blood pressure, then joint pain, then sleep apnea, then a heart attack, then cancer....starts to add up.

I saw yesterday that 42% of adults in the us had gained weight during the pandemic. I imagine we are similar. Great.

@hamstersarse yep. Outdoor sports and activities restricted but takeaways remain open. What could possibly go wrong?

You could also consider that the loss of life years is about 6 months for covid, so of the people who sadly died, on average they would have lived another 6 months.

Just 388 people under 60 with no underlying conditions died of Covid in hospitals

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/28/60s-died-roads-last-year-no-underlying-conditions-coronavirus/

Just 388 people under the age of 60 with no underlying health conditions have died of coronavirus in England, NHS data has revealed.

The figures show that only 0.8 per cent of all deaths from coronavirus between April 2 and December 23 came from this group of the population.

Where did the loss of life years for Covid is 6 months come from?

The definition of health conditions includes a lot of stuff that isn’t relevant to Covid. It includes things like autism, mental health issues, endometriosis and IBS. None of which will have anything to do with why they died from covid.

Average years of life lost to covid in the U.K. is 10years, not 6 months.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay , I wouldn't lose my breath on this thread. It's all fake stuff. Don't try to reason with the OP it's really not worth it.

@Ephe17

Just 388 people under 60 with no underlying conditions died of Covid in hospitals

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/28/60s-died-roads-last-year-no-underlying-conditions-coronavirus/

Just 388 people under the age of 60 with no underlying health conditions have died of coronavirus in England, NHS data has revealed.

The figures show that only 0.8 per cent of all deaths from coronavirus between April 2 and December 23 came from this group of the population.

Cue being told that underlying illnesses can be extremely mild so that’s why so low!

@yeOldeTrout

You need to google "infection fatality rate" which is not same as "case fatality rate". And no one knows the true answer with great confidence, plus it's age dependent.

You may get more accurate search results from DuckduckGo as it doesn't filter out results.

Cue being told that underlying illnesses can be extremely mild so that’s why so low!
I assume you're being sarcastic here? Nevertheless I am going to say that having an underlying condition does not mean being really ill or having some sort of serious illness which makes you much more likely to die of covid. It literally means having any other health condition. It could be mild, it could be serious. Many many people have a health condition, hence the low number of people who died of covid who didn't have one.
People say what you are quoting because it's true.

@ExcusesAndAccusations

As a rough rule of thumb your personal chance of dying if you get Covid is the same as the chance would have been of you dying of natural causes in the next year. So that’s tiny for a healthy fifteen year old, but much higher for a very sick person or a ninety year old. It may be higher for people with certain specific conditions.

And by the way I did mean that the survival rate is one minus the fatality rate - the whole number one is equal to 100% for those of you who skipped KS1 maths.

Patronising, not much lol

Well a PP started it by “helpfully” correcting me

@hamstersarse

What a ridiculous argument. Cigarettes , alcohol and unhealthy food cause ongoing health problems but are not infectious, cases don’t rise in an exponential way, and the NHS has the capacity to cope.

That’s not really true. Lifestyle illnesses account for over 50% of the NHS budgets. So if people didn’t abuse their bodies with toxic food and alcohol, the NHS would not be in the state it is in.

The obesity epidemic has grown extraordinarily fast over the last few decades, so although it might not be the fast hit surge that COVID brings, arguably it is worse when not an infectious disease. A surge from covid would be over relatively quickly, obesity is death by a hundred cuts....first high blood pressure, then joint pain, then sleep apnea, then a heart attack, then cancer....starts to add up.

I saw yesterday that 42% of adults in the us had gained weight during the pandemic. I imagine we are similar. Great.

I’m not saying these aren’t huge problems. But the way you might try to handle them is completely different to the public health measures required to manage a pandemic . Managing chronic illness is very different to managing acute illness. People gaining weight over time or drinking too much has never meant that hospitals have to open hundreds of extra ICU beds.

@RunnerDown

The only difference is a drip drip effect as opposed to a big hit instant effect.

Both put enormous demand on the NHS. The state of our NHS is not simply funding, it is also the awful state of our nation's health, mainly due to lifestyle. We have most certainly had to open many many many hospital beds for lifestyle illnesses, but again, the only difference is drip drip slow motion car crash as opposed to high impact explosion.