Holidays Abroad with unvaccinated kids

[GreyHairedGardener]

If countries will only accept vaccinated people, does that mean no families can holiday abroad?

@blue25

Countries won’t get many visitors if we’re expected to get on a plane with loads of unvaccinated kids. Hopefully only those vaccinated will be allowed to travel.

Countries wont get many visitors if only those that are vaccinated can travel..

@MaxNormal

Who would want to travel abroad generally This year?

Me.

Me too! We even travelled abroad last year

Remember that europeans wont be 100% vaccinated, most likely 50%

Greece is prioritising 40 of its islands for vaccination, presumably with an eye to encouraging foreign visitors.

So they may not be too concerned about the status of the visitors if they believe the residents to be protected.

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MaxNormal

Who would want to travel abroad generally This year?

Me.

And me too! I CAN'T WAIT TO TRAVEL ABROAD TO SEE MY FAMILY!! Haven't sen my parents for over a year. DH and I will be fully vaccinated by May and hope that our 3 year old unvaccinated toddler will be allowed with either a pcr tests or home isolation in the destination country if required..

@lljkk

Will insurance be cheap, easy to get & easy to claim on in case someone tests + the day before. Even the vaccinated may be the person who tests +.

HAHA

Insurance won't pay out for this! You go read the small print!

@EasterIssland

Remember that europeans wont be 100% vaccinated, most likely 50%

What's that got to do with anything?

30 years ago I went to live in the states for a year.
HAD to have a TB shot or be deported.
Only about 25% of locals had had the TB shot.

Their country, THEIR RULES!!

Insurance won't pay out for this! You go read the small print!

My insurance covers me if I catch covid abroad or I catch It before hand

Some insurers will even pay out without a positive test e.g. test and trace notifications

www.which.co.uk/news/2021/03/coronavirus-what-it-means-for-your-travel-insurance/

EasterIssland
Remember that europeans wont be 100% vaccinated, most likely 50%

notrub
What's that got to do with anything?
30 years ago I went to live in the states for a year.
HAD to have a TB shot or be deported.
Only about 25% of locals had had the TB shot.

Their country, THEIR RULES!!
*
I think it makes sense to restrain their own people traveling (I'm speaking about the EU) when many of them wont be vaccinated. They'll want to move the economy.
And 30years ago could you have a pcr that would proof that you didn't have TB like you can nowadays?

Anyway I'm reading in spain that the covid passport that the EU will release will have : Vaccine information or pcr information or antibodies information, one of the 3 . so if someone like a child hasn't had the vaccine or covid could have a pcr done.

@EasterIssland

Insurance won't pay out for this! You go read the small print!

My insurance covers me if I catch covid abroad or I catch It before hand

That's nice for you - many will not though - of course that may change - BOTH ways!

Insurances wont remove something that is accepted once you've purchased, it'd be a change of contract and they cant do that easily. And anyway, if they did last year (I had Columbus when the pandemic was declare) and accepted those existing policies to cover them with covid... why wont they do that this year when many people will have had it or will be vaccinated against it> Insurances arent stupid they want people to buy it... if they dont provide what people needs then they'll loose customers (even last year there were some companies that would accept new customers and cover them of cvid)

I think the was talking about this on BBC news at 1pm today. I think it was P&O that said everyone needs to prove vaccination so therefore no kids.

I wasnt fully listening so I think that was the gist.

Ho hum. No holidays abroad for me then for a few years. More cash in my pocket away from the economy I guess. If I stay in the UK I only do budget self catering. What a depressing future I have ahead! Time to buy a campervan I think. I'm seriously considering it 😭

www.euronews.com/travel/2021/03/17/eu-plans-to-boost-summer-travel-with-its-proposal-for-a-digital-vaccine-passport

*n order to facilitate "safe and free movement" within the bloc, the Digital Green Certificate will actually comprise three different certificates:

Vaccination certificates, which state which brand of the vaccine used, data and place of inoculation and number of doses administered.
Negative test certificates (either a NAAT/RT-PCR test or a rapid antigen test). Self-tests will be excluded for the time being.
Medical certificates for people who have recovered from COVID-19 in the last 180 days.*

So kids should go in the 2nd option, pcr . They'd not offer that option if they didn't want unvaccinated people to travel to/from their countries (again EU speaking )

@EasterIssland

* EasterIssland Remember that europeans wont be 100% vaccinated, most likely 50%

notrub
What's that got to do with anything?
30 years ago I went to live in the states for a year.
HAD to have a TB shot or be deported.
Only about 25% of locals had had the TB shot.

Their country, THEIR RULES!!
*
I think it makes sense to restrain their own people traveling (I'm speaking about the EU) when many of them wont be vaccinated. They'll want to move the economy.
And 30years ago could you have a pcr that would proof that you didn't have TB like you can nowadays?

Anyway I'm reading in spain that the covid passport that the EU will release will have : Vaccine information or pcr information or antibodies information, one of the 3 . so if someone like a child hasn't had the vaccine or covid could have a pcr done.

A PCR DOES NOT prove you don't have covid. You're quite unlikely to test +ve within the first 2-3 days after infection.

The EU passport will include PCR test data - that does not automatically mean it's substitutable for a vaccination - indeed some countries may demand BOTH!

I used to be an underwriter. Any claim is based on the policy at the time of purchase.

@EasterIssland

Insurances wont remove something that is accepted once you've purchased, it'd be a change of contract and they cant do that easily. And anyway, if they did last year (I had Columbus when the pandemic was declare) and accepted those existing policies to cover them with covid... why wont they do that this year when many people will have had it or will be vaccinated against it> Insurances arent stupid they want people to buy it... if they dont provide what people needs then they'll loose customers (even last year there were some companies that would accept new customers and cover them of cvid)

Like business insurances are happily paying out the sums due to businesses forced to close by covid you mean??

Not saying you're wrong about YOUR cover - clearly you've read the small print carefully and as you say, they can't easily change things. Just that not everyone will be so "lucky"?

Righty ho. I hope it all works out well for you and those around you (worldwide). Very easy to foresee a situation where the uk negates entirely the good work of vaccines by bringing in strains by people “needing” a holiday, friends etc (no one has seen anyone all the sr pretty much surely ?!)
Interesting how MN flips from cries about why the borders were kept open for so long but when the shoe is on the other foot, I’m alright Jack.

Oh purlease......bugger off to Clacton again then......some of us want to start living again

I think it was P&O that said everyone needs to prove vaccination so therefore no kids

P&O cruises not P&O ferries.

Notrub, when I see all those words in caps I picture your face becoming very red indeed, and possibly some spittle as you furiously bash your keyboard.

@GreyHairedGardener

Oh purlease......bugger off to Clacton again then......some of us want to start living again

We should all live in lockdown like the 1st one where no support bubbles are allowed forever and ever .... only this way we'll manage to control the virus.

PS. I'm European and I'll be traveling this year MNs accepts it or not, my home country is opened to those carrying a passport from their country and UK cant refuse me entrance as I'm a citizen in this country. So I dont care what MN thinks I'm off! and yes I'll be also going on holiday to another country as Long as it's allowed (and so far during the whole pandemic the country I'll go to is allowed)

Btw @GreyHairedGardener this is the info about the new eu covid passport, it mentions those that have had covid, or those that have a negative test or those that have the vaccination will be able to use it ... I guess to enter to other countries... which I assume kids will fall in pcr or antigen categories

ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_21_1187

@GreyHairedGardener, Thanks darling.

@MaxNormal

I think it was P&O that said everyone needs to prove vaccination so therefore no kids

P&O cruises not P&O ferries.

Notrub, when I see all those words in caps I picture your face becoming very red indeed, and possibly some spittle as you furiously bash your keyboard.

My how strange your imagination runs.

Clearly you have no grasp of language technicalities such as EMPHASIS!

[quote EasterIssland]Btw @GreyHairedGardener this is the info about the new eu covid passport, it mentions those that have had covid, or those that have a negative test or those that have the vaccination will be able to use it ... I guess to enter to other countries... which I assume kids will fall in pcr or antigen categories

ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_21_1187[/quote]
For travel BY EU citizens among the EU nations.

Everything else is down to the member state - i.e. how they treat non-EU citizens wishing to enter the country.

If the UK introduced an equivalent "passport" for example, then a -ve PCR may elicit entry to say France, but Italy may require a vaccination or a recovery certificate, while Greece may solely accept a vaccination certificate etc etc.