EU threatening to cut off supply of vaccines to UK

[Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady]

Because they've not got enough apparently (despite the fact that they've got a shit load of AZ stockpiled because they've mostly stopped using it)

This is really starting to piss me off now, and has someone who is due 2nd Pfizer jab in 8 weeks in starting to worry I won't get it!

They're threatening to stop supply to USA too.

Wankers

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ursula-von-der-leyen-threatens-cut-off-covid-exports-uk-b924652.html

@Darkbrownistheriver

EU population is roughly 7 x UK population, so if they’ve sent us 9.1 million doses does that mean they think UK should export 1.3 million to EU?

Good point!

It's actually pretty irrelevant who has exported what previous to this point. The EU was not in a position to accept vaccines, they have not as a whole introduced mass vaccination and have not used up the stocks they already had in store. Vaccines have a 6 month life span, imagine if they let those stocks rot away for the good of no-one.

Going forward, perhaps they will ramp up and be in a position to accept more deliveries, and put in export controls, but up to this point, everything they have said about lack of supply, is a red herring to deflect from the fact that they haven't been using what they already had available in the EU.

I hope the UK are switching over to just using AZ now and other trusted suppliers that are not made in the EU, as the continued supply of Pfizer is looking very uncertain and we can not trust that they will deliver now.

I hope I get the AZ, so I don't need to worry about the second dose for three months, and whether it will or will not arrive.

I had AZ within past week - it was absolutely fine, no side effects whatsoever. And I have allergies.

I hope this doesn't become too political. Seems fine for the main part, of course there might be the occasional bad reaction.

Why aren’t they using up what they have already in the EU?

It doesn't actually matter what the truth is, that's a long dead casualty of covid!

What should have mattered was the global effort. From the UK ' starter' being sent across the world for manufacture to political mouths being shut. And all sorts of other angles, like giving Russia the opportunity to save the world with a vaccine it won't use at home!

Tis all politicking of the worst sort and the media are making sure we know all about it, and then some!

It doesn't matter how you sit, UvdL is a bloody liability!

Now EU countries want tourists back , theyd better get their vaccination programme sorted out first surely !

@thereisonlyoneofme

Now EU countries want tourists back , theyd better get their vaccination programme sorted out first surely !

it's been announced today www.euronews.com/travel/2021/03/17/eu-plans-to-boost-summer-travel-with-its-proposal-for-a-digital-vaccine-passport

@thereisonlyoneofme

Now EU countries want tourists back , theyd better get their vaccination programme sorted out first surely !

Do we want unvaccinated tourists coming here I wonder 🤔

So Brits will need a vaccine passport to access restaurants etc in countries where the majority of the home population won't have been vaccinated? Maybe we should be asking for certain levels of population vaccination before we allow British holiday makers to visit?

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

So Brits will need a vaccine passport to access restaurants etc in countries where the majority of the home population won't have been vaccinated? Maybe we should be asking for certain levels of population vaccination before we allow British holiday makers to visit?

That's not the case, Brits and Non brits will need to proof they've had the vaccine or a negative pcr at the moment they entry the country and some countries might request an extra quarantine or a pcr.

In the article I read UvdL was saying that she would do this if other countries, not just the UK, didn't show reciprocity and share the vaccines with the EU. It wasn't just unilateral.

Also when did people come 'remainders' as opposed to 'remainers'. It's really weird. It makes people sound like unwanted shop stock that has to be sold off cheap.

Can you blame them?

If the vaccines were produced here, we would do the same.

Hypocrite much? I bet you voted Brexit, lol.

[quote Callixte]They're threatening to stop supply to USA too.

This isn't correct. She said: "With the U.S. the reciprocity is given... There is a seamless flow back and forth of pre-products and raw materials and drug substance. We are still waiting for doses to come from the UK, so this is an invitation to show us that there are also doses from the UK coming to the European Union so that we have reciprocity."

She also - in answer to a direct question from the press - refused to rule out ever using emergency powers from Article 122 to seize production and suspend intellectual property rights for the vaccine(s). Which was the only way she could answer the question, as the EU has used these emergency powers before.

You can watch the full thing here: www.euronews.com/2021/03/17/european-commission-presents-plans-for-green-pass-for-freedom-of-travel-within-bloc[/quote]
Thats really worrying if they said that as sounds like some communist dictatorship.
Must be scaring business although other Italian leader did say he wanted to suffocate big pharma until they showed eu some respect and get full deliveries.

I wouldn't blame moderna moving bottling from Spain and j and j which us just starting out doing same they both being made in Switzerland no eu country.
Italy seems keen for Russians to open up factory there.
Mayhe az should remove bottling from Italy.

Its just too risky for private pharma firms to have thier stock seized.
Could counties that had their orders blocked then sue the vaccine makers fir breech contract.
They could be doing massive damage to eu economy,business and jobs.
Not to mention vaccination delay will probably damage tourism and business as restrictions remain in place longer.
If now is like our dec/jan they could be in for rough few months.

Also fact they have stockpiles but not using or vaccinating at speed is baffling saw Germany only used 1/3 of thier moderna stocks.

Why punish the other companies because they annoyed with az. With phizer bio tech being part german it damages german economy.

Sweden really do have a lot catching up to do as their initial herd immunity strategy has not worked.

What if Boris says no holidays to Europe?
Germany/ Portugal/ Cyprus and Spain rely on British tourists.
Theres so much political talk about how brexit damages uk economy its damages parts of eu particularly Germany.

@Marmaladeagain

I think the EU messaging is at the level now of becoming criminally dangerous.

They could cause vaccine hesitancy, particularly in poorer countries. Macron should be held accountable for their "quasi effective" comments on Astra-Zeneca etc.

I think it is criminal in fact and potentially someone should starting talking about potential consequences of being referred to E Court of Human Rights or even war crimes - yes, I know sounds over the top but this is a global pandemic and Macron et al are behaving against the advice of their own EU medicines recommendation body that the vaccine is safe etc.

EU have shown they are willing to retrospectively change terms of contracts with their threats of withholding vaccine or components etc.

They are worried at being exposed the UK could be on the verge of everyone vaccinated this year and they want to try to stop the second dose getting us there by scaring everyone with their dangerous war of words. I don't think this is just politics, this is dangerous behaviour with worldwide consequences.

Can we report Johnson and Hancock for war crimes for the dead in care homes? I do hope so.

Easter I'm not sure I understand. Where is the logic in asking British (or other) visitors to Europe for proof of vaccination in order to enter restaurants etc when the domestic population of Europe is unvaccinated themselves? More to the point, do we want British people going on holiday to an unvaccinated Europe and potentially bringing back a new strain or reintroducing Covid into parts of the UK that has very low transmission rates?
I really think the govt ought to put a stop to foreign travel this year, until the world is in a better position.

Didn't we go through all of this in January? Boris was castigated for refusing to rule out sending vaccine to Europe before our own programme is complete.

He was castigated here, in the press, in the Commons, because he wouldn't say that NO VACCINE would be sent to the EU before our programme was complete.

So... what changed in policy, contract or opinion?

Also when did people come 'remainders' as opposed to 'remainers'

I've noticed it seems to be the mark of a certain kind of poster IYSWIM

So do we assume that Oxford AZ is going to restart tomorrow? I think we can safely that is a given now she is back to bullying her neighbours again.

Ha ha. They really have made a complete and utter mess of this.

We’ve vaccinated 50% of our adults and we just received a shit load more vaccines from India. We are not low on supply. Let’s get our heads down and crack on. Let the EU fight amongst themselves whilst we push on and enjoy our summer. Once we are at our goal we can then help others. I don’t think the EU’s threats have any meat on their bones. It’s just to deflect attention from their farce.

This will make businesses think twice about being based in the eu surely? They're threatening to stop private business exporting their products to countries that have bought and paid for them in advance?

I wouldn't want to be based somewhere that threatened such things.

Eu is looking increasingly appalling throughout

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

Easter I'm not sure I understand. Where is the logic in asking British (or other) visitors to Europe for proof of vaccination in order to enter restaurants etc when the domestic population of Europe is unvaccinated themselves? More to the point, do we want British people going on holiday to an unvaccinated Europe and potentially bringing back a new strain or reintroducing Covid into parts of the UK that has very low transmission rates? I really think the govt ought to put a stop to foreign travel this year, until the world is in a better position.

Some countries will be safe (even more than the uk) so going to a restaurant in there or in the uk wont be a problem. Those countries that will be more dangerous then they'll have restrictions when coming back. If last year the UK was opened to people and people could travel in/out to some countries without any restrictions.. what makes you think that this year we should be more tough?

I've got the feeling that some people would love to live in lockdown forever and ever

@BigBamboo

We’ve vaccinated 50% of our adults and we just received a shit load more vaccines from India. We are not low on supply. Let’s get our heads down and crack on. Let the EU fight amongst themselves whilst we push on and enjoy our summer. Once we are at our goal we can then help others. I don’t think the EU’s threats have any meat on their bones. It’s just to deflect attention from their farce.

Exactly

Surely even if they banned companies from exporting they'd still have no right to commandeer their products that have been ordered and paid for already? Surely doing so would cause international businesses to withdraw on mass from basing operations there?