Will lots just say 'stuff it' come the 23rd?

[JuneSummer]

It'll soon be a year since lockdown was first called and me and DH have been watching lots of TV coverage over the last few days. It's just dawned on us this week that we have now not seen our parents for a year, the DC haven't hugged their grandparents, we haven't been for any days out as a family, DC1 hasn't had a single uni class in person. The list goes on.

DH and I are now quickly coming to the conclusion that we just cannot and will not go on living like this any longer as a family. Particularly when there seems to be no end in sight if you listen to people like Chris Whitty and Christina Pagel (who was wanting masks and social distancing for the foreseeable future last night on the news).

Both sets of parents are in their mid 60s and have been vaccinated. We are now strongly minded to visit both at the beginning of April and allow them to see their DGC.

I suspect we will not be alone. Will lots of people simply say 'no more' upon realising they've spent a year of their lives not living?

There will be riots if they drag it out any further

I guess they just hear what they want to hear.

We've just stopped listening after a year of doom and gloom and covid covid covid to the exclusion of every other issue.

@3JsMa

It's totally ridiculous to say we have spent a year of not living properly. We are in the middle of pandemic, not some kind of dictatorship that keeps us locked up. I am not pro lockdown,I am not against it.Our family is not vulnerable,we don't have to shield but I just do whatever is necessary because I want to protect others who are.I am still astounded,a year on after all of his started that people are moaning about their loss of freedom etc.I did not see my family since last February but there are other means to keep in touch.I do miss lots of things and so do my DCs but we know that it won't be forever if we are a bit patient. BTW,you do you but it sounds utterly ridiculous that grown-ups, instead of coming together to make this virus disappear ASAP,are behaving like whiny,spoiled toddlers.

Of course we are in a police state. Even the right to protest has been removed We can't even have visitors in our homes

@3JsMa

It's totally ridiculous to say we have spent a year of not living properly. We are in the middle of pandemic, not some kind of dictatorship that keeps us locked up. I am not pro lockdown,I am not against it.Our family is not vulnerable,we don't have to shield but I just do whatever is necessary because I want to protect others who are.I am still astounded,a year on after all of his started that people are moaning about their loss of freedom etc.I did not see my family since last February but there are other means to keep in touch.I do miss lots of things and so do my DCs but we know that it won't be forever if we are a bit patient. BTW,you do you but it sounds utterly ridiculous that grown-ups, instead of coming together to make this virus disappear ASAP,are behaving like whiny,spoiled toddlers.

Why is it ridiculous when its absolutely true?

And you can say its not kind of some dictatorship, but it's hard to believe that its "based on the science" when half the north remained closed when we had lower rates than London. As soon as london started looking scary - fuck everyone, you're all locked down, including you lot in the north who's rates are tiny.

There was no science used there.

There is no end date! There certainly won't be with the 'stuff it' attitude. All the 'stuff it' people are just going to be making the lifting of restrictions impossible.

I am so fed up of restrictions and want it to end. But I'm even more fed up of people thinking they are immune and we not be spreaders. It's incredibly unfair to be so unpleasant.

I love following all the rules, negatively affecting my children's mental health and education, not seeing family and having a reduced income to protect the vulnerable just to see some throw it back in our face and go back to normal once they've had their vaccinations.

Really love it.

Since March 2020 MNers constantly declare
"No one is following the rules!"
"I'm going to stop following the rules!"

and yet here we are. Most people following most the rules most the time. And always have done, and I predict will strongly continue. Folk are terrified of the virus or (me) don't want grief by not pretending to be scared of it.

@Beaniecats

There will be riots if they drag it out any further

No there won't be just as there haven't been before because the majority of people aren't like you So you'll have to stick to spouting rubbish on forums

@Chickenriceandpeas

Does mumsnet have a weirdly high proportion or teachers? About half the posters on this thread already are secondary school teachers...

I’ve already said ‘fuck it’ to a few things. Rates round here are 0.05% of the population. Chances of that being me, without symptoms, is fucking tiny. Couldn’t give a shit anymore. Haven’t been able to work for 12 months now, not entitled to govt help. I’m not waiting to be told to hug people, I’ll bloody do it if I want to!

There seems to be a weirdly high proportion of people on MN who can't go any length of time without seeing their parents. Exceptions excluded, e nrw baby or ilness, I find it odd that so many grown adults can't seem seem to function without parental input.

@TheUnwindingCableCar

I love following all the rules, negatively affecting my children's mental health and education, not seeing family and having a reduced income to protect the vulnerable just to see some throw it back in our face and go back to normal once they've had their vaccinations.

Really love it.

Yep. This.

Some monumentally selfish people on this thread. Do people still not understand collective responsibility? The most recent stint at homeschooling nearly broke me, and my daughter is a different child now to the one she was this time last year, sadly. She’d benefit greatly from sleepovers, seeing her cousins, hanging out with her vaccinated grandparents. But you know what? We are not doing that because we are not selfish idiots. We see the bigger picture. We don’t want one of us to be the link in a chain that ends with someone else getting ill and ending up in hospital. You know, someone we meet via school, the supermarket, the queue at the post office...whatever. But hey, you’ve had your vaccination so go ahead, you do you. And fuck the rest of society. Nice.

I don't know why this is all always so binary - I wonder if people who want to break a specific rule feel better about it if they say they're making some big all-enccompassing defiant decision, and want everyone else to do so too?

I think increasingly lots of people will certainly start taking small risks that they wouldn't have before. I think they have been doing so increasingly all along. But if I were to (and I'm actually not, though I considered it) take flowers and a card and leave them outside my mum's house on Sunday, I wouldn't feel like I had to make that part of some Big Thing where I wasn't following rules because rules are stupid and Chris Whitty is evil and it's a police state and all that. I'd think in the context, I decided to do one thing.... Why the need to make it a big defiant statement?

People like being with the people they love which includes their parents. It’s entirely natural as we are social animals although you wouldn’t believe it from mumsnet which has a high proportion of people who seem perfectly content to shut themselves off because they’ve been told to.

To be honest until I joined mumsnet I didn’t realise how many people had such distant dysfunctional relationships with their families.

It's totally ridiculous to say we have spent a year of not living properly.

You dont live in the north do you ?

@userxx

It's totally ridiculous to say we have spent a year of not living properly.

You dont live in the north do you ?

Obviously not

Tbh before I joined Mumsnet I didn’t know how many entitled twats there were declaring ‘enough is enough’ like that’s going to stop the spread...

I’m glad the rates/cases have dropped so much, I’m glad the vaccination programme is well under way. I glad I’m only friends with people that are dicks.

@MrsHerculePoirot

We are. As are all our friends and family. Perhaps I just don’t make friends with selfish twats though.

Same here. I can't say what I think of the "fuck it" people. I'd be banned.

"Exceptions excluded, e nrw baby or ilness, I find it odd that so many grown adults can't seem seem to function without parental input." Or they.... like their parents and miss them???????

Well wow back to you! You got pregnant in the middle of a pandemic? I think that is incredibly selfish in itself.

WTAF?

And to those saying the 21st June “end date” might be pushed back if the four criteria aren’t met... well, let’s not forget that parallel to all of this is a vaccine rollout that’s going extremely well. At some point there will simply come a time when so many people are vaccinated that the rest of it will be rendered irrelevant anyway. And that is only a matter of months away.

We are still following the rules and have done so since last March. We will continue to do so because we're decent human beings that care about other people. For the same reason we wear masks and do the lateral flow tests.

DS1 is clinically vulnerable and at primary so won't get vaccinated any time soon
We lost DS2's Godmother, 2 of DHs uncles and one of mine to covid.

I miscarried by my fucking self in hospital because selfish arseholes can't follow the sodding rules. I sincerely hope no one of you being blasé, selfish and inconsiderate have to go through the year we and so many other families have had.

[quote mn81987]@user1497207191 I literally don't care anymore, if they're still that vulnerable even after the first vaccine then they can shield at home. I'm going going about my day as normal. [/quote]
They can't all "shield at home". Have you not noticed that nearly half of the deaths are in hospitals, care homes and in their own homes (being cared for). Those "shielding" are simply not being protected and that's the real scandal.

Those suffering cancer can't "shield", because they constantly need to be going to their GP surgery for blood tests, going to hospitals for consultant appointments, scans, x-rays, chemotherapy, and to collect medicines (cancer drugs are dispensed from hospital pharmacies not your local one!).

My OH is currently having cancer treatment - he has no choice but to leave the house 2 or 3 days per week for one thing or another relating to his treatment. Hospitals aren't "safe" places, even for cancer patients - the waiting rooms etc aren't segregated. At his last consultant appointment, the waiting room was shared with a steady stream of people coming in for blood tests and to see other (non cancer) consultants (it was in the usual out patients area!).

@Dongdingdong

And to those saying the 21st June “end date” might be pushed back if the four criteria aren’t met... well, let’s not forget that parallel to all of this is a vaccine rollout that’s going extremely well. At some point there will simply come a time when so many people are vaccinated that the rest of it will be rendered irrelevant anyway. And that is only a matter of months away.

Eh? A successful vaccine rollout is the first of the four conditions. It has already been factored in to the "not before" date of 21 June. The other four conditions must also be met.

Eh? A successful vaccine rollout is the first of the four conditions. It has already been factored in to the "not before" date of 21 June. The other four conditions must also be met.

I’m not sure what the “eh” is for in your post. It’s really very simple - once the vast majority of people have been vaccinated, the rest of the conditions won’t matter anymore anyway, because we’ll be protected from the virus thanks to the vaccine. It isn’t rocket science!

We all know Whitty will say conditions not met

if they're still that vulnerable even after the first vaccine then they can shield at home.
My ds is 10, he won't be eligible for the vaccine until the end of the year, if we're lucky. He's been shielding since last March.
It would be great if he could start secondary school like other 10/11 year olds this year, but fuck him, eh!