9 out of 20 students in my class are apparently exempt from mask wearing

[Workyticket]

Taught them in a small room with a slit of a window for 1.5 hours

6 of those 9 had chosen not to take a lateral flow test because their Mum said they didn't have to

Schools and colleges are safe though. Apparently

@LolaSmiles

Go to work , and teach .Leave the rest to the families and government I assume by this statement, along with your goady post, you want to see : The end of enrichment activities A drastic reduction in the increasing remit of topics added into PSHE at the request of parents/government Reduction in pastoral care in school Teachers not supporting students with issue south of school such as social media bullying

None of those are teaching so we should stop them?

Thats also down to feckless parents .

@lucye1

There will be families out there waiting with “no win no fee” type lawyers dying to get a claim in. The country has been ruined by those that have fallen for the fake death figures etc . But dont worry teachers , you got 100% of your wages and did not have to do a lot .Farming off kids for a few hours per day to do “Purple mash “ and stuff is not exactly taxing ! Then we get schools bombarding parents with guides of what we need to do and not to stand around the roads near the school etc ! We dont take orders from teachers .Most of us have FAR more life skills and years behind us . TEACH the kids and let us decide the best for our kids (But only teachers know the real best !!)

Oh dear Lucy. You're not very well.

Thats also down to feckless parents
What do you propose?

Should schools and teachers do the things I listed to support students who you say gave feckless parents? In which case you're just ranting nonsense because you have an issue with teachers.
Or should we do as you say and stop doing those things so that those children have fewer life chances? In which case you clearly don't care that much about student welfare and their prospects.

@LolaSmiles

Thats also down to feckless parents What do you propose?

Should schools and teachers do the things I listed to support students who you say gave feckless parents? In which case you're just ranting nonsense because you have an issue with teachers.
Or should we do as you say and stop doing those things so that those children have fewer life chances? In which case you clearly don't care that much about student welfare and their prospects.

Just stop moaning about masks .As NONE of the teachers for ages have been wearing them in classes . In fact the education authorities demanded the teachers did not wear masks ! Then the teachers dont seem to be doing their own “social distancing” etc etc . Happy to go shopping and mix with others .But all moaning that kids must wear them .Well we have laws in this country .And they allow anyone not to wear a mask if they feel they cannot and also laws to prevent any form of discrimination against them . So feel free to see if your Head teacher will allow a child to be placed in another room. Fell very free when you dont have a JOB !

Lucy, with th greatest of respect, you are talking absolute nonsense.

All school staff have been wearing masks full time. I'd know that. , Being one. Where are you getting your info?

Also, are we not allowed to go into a shop because we are teachers?

You are honestly bonkers, and don't realise what aj absolute fool of yourself you are making.

@LolaSmiles

Thats also down to feckless parents What do you propose?

Should schools and teachers do the things I listed to support students who you say gave feckless parents? In which case you're just ranting nonsense because you have an issue with teachers.
Or should we do as you say and stop doing those things so that those children have fewer life chances? In which case you clearly don't care that much about student welfare and their prospects.

The irony of Lucy talking about feckless parents.

Just stop moaning about masks
That wasn't what you said. You said we should go to work, teach, and leave everything else to the government.
When I outlined things other than teaching that benefit students you've said that's down to feckless parents.

I'm interested in your view on my last question. Do we:
A) Continue with the many things other than teaching, such as pastoral support and enrichment, because it offers more students a broad education and takes care of their wellbeing
Or
B) Do as you say, stop doing everything other than teaching because it's just tough luck if you have (as you put it) "feckless parents"?

Neither of these options mention masks as it was a question about your view that teachers should do nothing more than teach, and leave everything to 'families and government'.

Just it's coming across like you've got an anti-teacher, anti-mask agenda that's the root of much of this incoherent rambling.

Oh dear. Someone is not coming across as well educated. No wonder teachers have so much to do.

The facts are when schools went back the time before i thought teachers (and pupils) were not expected to wear masks in the class room. i am sure we can check that fact.

Secondly currently the guidance as far as I can see says teenagers can choose if they wear a mask or not - it is nothing to do with being exempt. Also the legislation about masks only covers masks in shops, trains etc. It does not say anything about schools.

@Xenia

The facts are when schools went back the time before i thought teachers (and pupils) were not expected to wear masks in the class room. i am sure we can check that fact.

Secondly currently the guidance as far as I can see says teenagers can choose if they wear a mask or not - it is nothing to do with being exempt. Also the legislation about masks only covers masks in shops, trains etc. It does not say anything about schools.

No, we didn't at the beginning but that wasn't down to teachers. We asked for it but it wasn't implemented. OP has every right to be worried. Teenagers over 16 have to wear masks in schools.

I'm unsure why so much misinformation is being peddled.

I don't work in a hospital so I don't claim to know about things against people who actually work there.

Id be interested to know what job Lucy does and what children she has to know so much about schools.

Teenagers over 16 do not have to wear masks in the classroom although I think they can be required to wear them in corridors etc. Can you point me to the guidance or law which says they must?

I have no skin in this game as my student sons are studying 100% from home but I am just interested in seeing the guidance and seeing the regulations.

Even this very pro mask TES article makes it clear masks in the classroom are a choice for pupils www.tes.com/news/covid-schools-reopening-year-8-only-one-pupil-was-wearing-mask

[quote Xenia]Teenagers over 16 do not have to wear masks in the classroom although I think they can be required to wear them in corridors etc. Can you point me to the guidance or law which says they must?

I have no skin in this game as my student sons are studying 100% from home but I am just interested in seeing the guidance and seeing the regulations.

Even this very pro mask TES article makes it clear masks in the classroom are a choice for pupils www.tes.com/news/covid-schools-reopening-year-8-only-one-pupil-was-wearing-mask[/quote]
Yes they do.

I can't point you to the regulations, just my eyes.

RootyT00t

"No, we didn't at the beginning but that wasn't down to teachers. We asked for it but it wasn't implemented."

NDN's children go to an academy and what you have said is absolutely true. The same happened then as now, no definite instructions from government, no hard rules, people using any and every excuse not to wear masks. Within a week of going back, classes/whole schools were being shut down and he case/death rate began to rise. The same will happen again.
I really feel for the teachers, they have been unfairly put at risk by an uncaring government.

DfE guidance recommends mask wearing. However it is not law or compulsory.

...they never make it simple....

So I think no one so far has shown me guidance or a law that says a teenager has to wear a face mask even if not exempt and the government announcement when schools were opened said no child could be denied education because it chose not to put one on.

I really feel for the teachers, they have been unfairly put at risk by an uncaring government.

Actually, it's not the Government that influences the non-mask wearing children, that is entirely down to their parent(s)

"Actually, it's not the Government that influences the non-mask wearing children, that is entirely down to their parent(s)"

Whilst I agree with that, I don't think the word "entirely" can be used. The government set out easily outmanouvred guidelines, when it should have established clear rules and boundaries.

Sad to think that the next generation are (with their parents) making excuses not to wear a mask to protect those around them. I’m thankful that the children I know have more consideration. The six year old next door wears a mask when he is in the supermarket. He doesn’t have to but understands the reasons why it is a good thing to do.

Xenia

The government advice is extremely contradictory and weasel worded IMHO.

"This is guidance, not mandatory activity, and any legal exemptions that apply to the wearing of face coverings in shops and on public transport also apply to this advice.Where something is essential for public health reasons, as advised by Public Health England (PHE), we have said ‘must’. Where there is a legal requirement we have made that clear. This guidance does not create any new legal obligations."

"They advise that “children aged 12 and over should wear a face covering under the same conditions as adults, in particular when they cannot guarantee at least a 1-metre distance from others and there is widespread transmission in the area."

"In addition, we now also recommend that in those settings where pupils and students in year 7 and above (and their equivalents) are educated, face coverings should be worn in classrooms, in other learning environments such as workshops, and during activities unless social distancing can be maintained."

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/967285/Face_coverings_in_education-March-2021.pdf

@Xenia

...they never make it simple....

So I think no one so far has shown me guidance or a law that says a teenager has to wear a face mask even if not exempt and the government announcement when schools were opened said no child could be denied education because it chose not to put one on.

Right...

But I've told you I work in a school where all of the 16 plus wear masks unless they are exempt.

What exactly is your point?

I wonder how Xenia and the like would feel if it was directly affecting them. Word games are all fine, but .

I don't want to be dictated to by any government. We live in a free state thankfully and guidance is all that is required not laws demanding face coverings.

I want to live in a society that gives me the information to decide for myself and my children and for the good of all around me that might be affected by the decisions I make.

Teachers are the indispensable factor that will influence future generations and prepare them for adulthood. They should be treated with respect and admiration for all that they do for our kids.

The least we can ask of our children is that they wear a mask when they are in a school setting.

@Myalternate

I don't want to be dictated to by any government. We live in a free state thankfully and guidance is all that is required not laws demanding face coverings. I want to live in a society that gives me the information to decide for myself and my children and for the good of all around me that might be affected by the decisions I make. Teachers are the indispensable factor that will influence future generations and prepare them for adulthood. They should be treated with respect and admiration for all that they do for our kids. The least we can ask of our children is that they wear a mask when they are in a school setting.

Thank you

Schools should set up separate classrooms for the anti-maskers and anti-testers. Unsupervised unless a member of staff volunteers to teach them. Give them work to do and monitor them remotely with a camera. Ones who misbehave are sent home. Couple of weeks of this and the numbers will go right down.

If I were a teacher I would refuse to teach in the same room as one of these selfish shits. I bet the union would stand behind me.