Is anyone planning on refusing to allow their children to have the lateral flow tests.

[Witchcraftandhokum]

I'm really not looking to start a bunfight. Just tying to better understand the reasons if you are not planning on allowing your child to be tested.

Look people who think that mass screening using lateral flow tests in schools is not a good plan are not necessarily either stupid or selfish. There are issues both with false negatives and positives.

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Personally I think the government just blew one billion on the things which are stashed in warehouses and needs to make use of them somehow.

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DenisetheMenace
Today 18:02 FenceSplinters

I spoke to the parent of a child in my school today, who said she wouldn’t be giving permission for her son to have the tests. She said it wouldn’t be fair for him to miss school if he was asymptomatic. 🤷🏻‍♀️“

Jesus H Christ. I wish we had a vaccine for stupid.
Yes we all wish there was a vaccine for stupid. Guess who would be first in line for it? grin”

No idea. Please enlighten me.

My son can consent for himself but if he didn't I would consent because I want face to face teaching.

@DonGray if someone tests positive on an LFT then a PCR is required!

Reading this yet another world beating British entitlement exceptionalism thread - how about a British self declared human rights and freedoms entitlement exceptionalism selfish non cooperative passport for refusers and those more likely to be a part of the cause than solution? See how that danger alert passport travels overseas!

Those who want the personal self interest benefits of not locking down but not the self and community health and safety protection interest to sensibly follow the agreed science and do what ever little steps one can to save souls including possibly your own!?

Any correlation with world per capita worst (or thereabouts) Covid fatalities and infections data? Let alone economic livelihoods collateral damage. Perhaps such people think furlough is an extended all you can eat all inclusive free luncheon which is paid for by a magical money tree?

All you are asked to do is just a little cooperative win win help to keep otherwise closed dangerous indoor crowded settings sustainably open. And the Covidiots who prefer no tests so as to not know or prevent closures?! Beggars belief as have any of you seen the potential health consequences? You know that this deadly (or life long) disease could happen to anyone as this disease only discriminates on those with most potential exposure and least health privilege.

Please get a grip fellow mums (and dads) and think about your family and others you care about. Schools will not open for long if the teachers are ill or worst! So just wear a mask and test, test test! It won't be forever or not until the next lockdown.

Do note this message does not apply to medically and mentally diagnosed disabilities. However if suddenly everyone selfishly self claims this exemption bandwagon we have yet another uniquely British anti masks anti vaxxers issue making a mockery and hence back to world record British per capita Covid records despite the vaccination program.

The amazing scientists have done their bit by making life saving vaccines available so follow the science take your responsibilities seriously and stay safe!

[quote linsey2581]@DonGray if someone tests positive on an LFT then a PCR is required![/quote]
No it isn't - read the guidance

Our school tests are not compulsory, although if I can do anything to get my kids back to school we will be testing when required.

@Dadnotamum72

How many people will say no simply because they can't afford to isolate themselves and are in such dire financial state that they would rather not know of a positive result and have to make that selfish decision. The £500 is only for a few and IMO one of the biggest errors the government have made, causing many not to want to test.

The criteria for self isolation payments has now been changed. Savings aren’t counted and they don’t look at partners earnings.

People who have thousands in the bank and taking home thousands between them per month can claim...

@poppycat10 which is most likely what you are not going to get given the false positives will be about 6 a week in a secondary with twice weekly testing.

Would be an improvement if they only made the other children isolate if there was a positive pcr after the lateral flow.

Probably it will be chaos and they will switch to doing that.

@Tessabelle74 it's not a case of won't, but can't. If you can't see that your stance is discriminatory, then I really don't know what to say!

@TinaYouFatLard

My children cannot and I do not consent to any regular, invasive and dehumanising procedures to be carried out on my perfectly healthy children.

If they show any sign at all of illness, then I would test.

It's a cotton bud up the nose, not brain surgery

@DonGray I am a covid testing nurse and yes you do have to have a PCR test if a LFT comes back positive. A PCR test is the gold standard test and is done by a professional tester and not done by the individual person.

It seems to me that to many people are worried about their "rights" but what about responsibility? My son has ASD among other diagnoses and he has them done twice a week at school with no problem at all.

I'm so relieved people with as little empathy and understanding as @Tessabelle74 are not in charge of making these decisions!

@childcareIssue

We have declined the ones in school before 8 March but will happily do the homes tests after that

I'm of this mind too, but haven't decided yet.

The whole thing is garbage, the tests are useless. But they've bought them, so someone has to use them I suppose.

Behaviour in schools will be worse with all the 'negative' results.

For all those saying their child has SEN/ASD and cope fine with the tests, that's great! But can you acknowledge that not all SEN/ASD children have exactly the same experience?

You understand that the home pregnancy test is a lateral flow test? PCR (Polyamerese Chain Reaction) tests are the cotton bud up nose.

Fortunately, the lateral flow tests do not involve inserting anything into the child. He/she spits into/licks a tests tube.

Given the very low positive rate in the presence of infection (as low as 3% when carried out by untrained individuals) and the subsequent over confidence individuals may face in the presence of a negative test, the lack of evidence of asymptomatic spread, low prevalence meaning higher risk of false positives, and the impact of the test itself, I think it is very irresponsible and unethical for there to be ANY asymptomatic testing of children.

No, you're wrong. I think those of us who've been doing them in school every week since January might know.

They are tonsils and nostril, just like the PCR tests.

The LFTs NHS staff do are just nostrils.

@KatyR090909 actually, the lateral flow tests administered at my sons' school involve swabs of nasal passage and throat. No spitting involved. My ASD 11yo would be fine with spitting into a tube...

That was to Katy.

@KatyR090909

Fortunately, the lateral flow tests do not involve inserting anything into the child. He/she spits into/licks a tests tube.

No it's a small swab on he throat and up the nose. Smaller bud than the PCR tests.

Our school are calling them 'lateral flow tests' and there's no spitting in a tube. It's a swab of the nose and throat

I'm not in the position of having to make this decision but if I was, I would not give consent. I really don't see the value of these tests - symptomatic testing - yes, and testing of all close contacts - yes.

But routine testing of children - this is the end of the wedge IMO given how little of a shit has been give to children's needs throughout this whole pandemic and the fact there is still no routine testing of other more high risk cohorts e.g. care workers going into older or frail people's homes, hospice workers etc.

I would rather resource was put in to offer all front-line workers including teachers the vaccine now. I would glad lose my place in the queue for teachers and supermarket workers