Pimlico plumbers no jab no job policy

[Callforjustice]

A COVID vaccine only protects yourself you can still contract and pass on the virus. It’s not nice to make people do something they don’t want to for the sake of profits

There’s growing evidence that vaccination also prevents you transmitting it to someone else, the longer vaccination continues the more accurate this understanding will be

But it does reduce transmission by a lot and probably even more than the initial findings.

@Callforjustice

A COVID vaccine only protects yourself you can still contract and pass on the virus. It’s not nice to make people do something they don’t want to for the sake of profits

The vaccine protects others, so you are completely wrong.

Most people do their job because of money, not because they want to. They can not work and not earn money if they wish.

It has been clearly pointed out the vaccine does not prevent transmission, masks must still be worn.

What the others have said. Vaccination offers at least some and possibly quite good protection against transmission.

I would prefer that for a while, while myself and the dc are unvaccinated (winter maybe?), anyone coming into the house is vaccinated. I will probably continue to prefer that for a couple of years, while science catches up with variants of the disease.

@Callforjustice

It has been clearly pointed out the vaccine does not prevent transmission, masks must still be worn.

Where?

Have you read any recent scientific findings on vaccines and transmission?

It was clearly said that “vaccines don’t prevent transmission” only by people who misunderstood what was actually said, which was “we don’t know yet what effect the vaccines have on transmission.”

The scientists were only ever being cautious, because they won’t say things without being able to back them up. They said all along they expected vaccines to have at least some impact on transmission, but they had to wait for data to quantify and confirm it.

The politicians turned that into “you can still transmit the virus after being vaccinated” because they wanted to dissuade people from changing their behaviour too soon.

Now, there is clear evidence that vaccines do reduce transmission, by between 2/3 and 3/4 according to the initial studies.

So everyone needs to stop saying “vaccines don’t prevent transmission.” It isn’t true. When you decide not to get vaccinated, you are not only taking a risk for yourself - which is your right - but for everyone else as well.

Whether Covid vaccines prevent transmission or not, it has been said many times that what the Pimlico guy is attempting to do is most likely illegal and will be challenged in Court, no doubt

Op

Would you rather have a vaccinated or unvaccinated tradesperson in your home 🤔

Would you rather have a vaccinated or unvaccinated tradesperson in your home

If I had received the vaccine, I wouldn't mind one way or the other

If I hadn't been vaccinated, I would prefer a vaccinated tradesperson only if it had been done on a voluntary basis. I wouldn't employ a company who forced medical treatment on their employees due to ethical reasons

I couldn't demand to see their medical records anyway, so what's the point?

@HeartZone

Op

Would you rather have a vaccinated or unvaccinated tradesperson in your home 🤔

Truthfully a vaccinated one. Even allowing for the current lack of evidence to show it prevents transmission. I’d hedge my bets that it will to some extent.

I don’t believe in coercing people to have vaccines. But we live in u precedented times and need to get to a tolerable level of risk. That won’t happen with high rates of refusal from younger people.

It will reduce transmission by two thirds if current data holds.

I wouldn’t want to use a company that is forcing its employees to do something against their will so I wouldn’t use this company. If we feel the vaccine works and stops us getting COVID then you are safe if you get vaccinated. Probably if i couldn’t have the vaccine for whatever reason then I would rather have neither vaccinated or in vaccinated in my home as we are good the vaccine does not stop transmittion and it’s not been made crystal clear wether the those vaccinated are injected with some form if the COVID virus so I wouldn’t take the risk.

I'd be more likely to use the services of a company with a policy like this.

You're wrong op. It hasn't been proven yet that it stops or reduces transmission. This is very different from saying it's doesn't reduce transmission.

If I’d been vaccinated then I’m safe so I wouldn’t mind either way. Other people’s health details are nothing to do with me.

My understanding is that the company only intends to require that new starters have been vaccinated, not existing employees.

If vaccination is a requirement of a job offer then it's up to the individual if they'd rather have the vaccine or decline the offer. Obviously no one is obliged to apply for a job with Pimlico plumbers.

Whether it's lawful of not to require vaccination for employment is not at all straightforward. There are good arguments on both sides and conflicting rights. It's hoped that the government will seize the initiative and issue some guidance once the vaccine is widely available to all.

Well it's fine isnt it. If you dont like it, dont use them. Others will prefer it so will choose to use them.

Do what you like, that's up to you.

You need to update your knowledge, OP, as you seem to be wrong about a few facts that are key to your argument.

And unless you're planning on applying for a job at Pimlico Plumbers, there's no need for you to be so concerned about this specific company's policy.

Vaccination reduces the chance of transmission in two different ways.

1. You can't transmit something you don't have and the vaccine offers a level of protection against contracting the disease in the first place. No, not 100%, but still, a high level of protection.

2. if you do contract the virus then the vaccine will reduce transmission because you will be sheading less of it.

Whitty said these two combined would give an approximate reduction by around 70%.

I would support the company and would be far more likely to use a company with vaccinated staff compared to one without.

This is only going to effect anti vaxers anyway, and I would rather not be around those sort of people anyway.

Unless you're genuinely medically exempt or a child, there really is no reason why you should not be getting vaccinated.

I wouldn’t use them, he’s sat giving his interviews and instructions from Dubai! Obviously earning too much from his workforce and sound like he’s from the dinosaur era.

I'm afraid I think their policy is the correct one. Those who choose not to be vaccinated have to accept that they are potentially more of a risk to others than the vaccinated. I think many jobs will ultimately adopt a similar policy to keep people they work around safe, and I agree with the policy. Which is saying something, as I'm normally a 'each to their own' kind of person. But this is a unique time that calls for unique measures

*Vaccination reduces the chance of transmission in two different ways.

1. You can't transmit something you don't have and the vaccine offers a level of protection against contracting the disease in the first place. No, not 100%, but still, a high level of protection.

2. if you do contract the virus then the vaccine will reduce transmission because you will be sheading less of it.*

Yep, so if I have had a vaccination (which I have) I then benefit from the plumber's vaccination and THEN my own reduced chance of contracting covid and THEN even further the chance of transmitting it to someone else. In a kind of reduction of risk accumulator that just makes sense.

I can't get too excited about this as it allows medical exemptions. There is a shortage of plumbers, so those who the policy doesn't suit can apply for jobs elsewhere. If they're already employed then it'll probably be challenged in court. Most plumbers have always seemed quite bright in my experience though, so I doubt there are many refusers.