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Pimlico plumbers no jab no job policy

78 replies

Callforjustice · 24/02/2021 13:18

A COVID vaccine only protects yourself you can still contract and pass on the virus. It’s not nice to make people do something they don’t want to for the sake of profits

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kindlyensure · 24/02/2021 14:30

I'm in Pimlico and his policy must be working and/or the workforce are on board with it because the vans are like wasps round here. Dozens of them. They are absolutely the go-to plumber.

Angel2702 · 24/02/2021 14:44

@Callforjustice

It has been clearly pointed out the vaccine does not prevent transmission, masks must still be worn.
No saying they don’t know the effect on transmission is not the same as saying it does not stop transmission. They had no data to confirm but they still said they would expect it to reduce transmission as is the case with other vaccines. They now have the first lot of data which show it does reduce transmission.
TheBaroucheBox · 24/02/2021 14:47

Someone's bored today Gin

Coyoacan · 24/02/2021 15:00

I wouldn’t want to use a company that is forcing its employees to do something against their will so I wouldn’t use this company

I agree.

But can I just point out that we do not know whether or not the vaccines protect against transmission as that was not tested for. There is no certainty one way or another.

SaskiaRembrandt · 24/02/2021 15:06

@Callforjustice

I wouldn’t want to use a company that is forcing its employees to do something against their will so I wouldn’t use this company. If we feel the vaccine works and stops us getting COVID then you are safe if you get vaccinated. Probably if i couldn’t have the vaccine for whatever reason then I would rather have neither vaccinated or in vaccinated in my home as we are good the vaccine does not stop transmittion and it’s not been made crystal clear wether the those vaccinated are injected with some form if the COVID virus so I wouldn’t take the risk.
it’s not been made crystal clear wether the those vaccinated are injected with some form if the COVID virus so I wouldn’t take the risk.

I'd suggest that before you form an opinion about anything vaccine related, you go away and read up about how these (and other) vaccines work.

MRex · 24/02/2021 15:09

Someone already posted above, just to reiterate - there wasn't data about transmission last year, but that evidence exists now. It's great news actually, transmission reduced by 2/3 whether Pfizer or Oxford AZ vaccine.
inews.co.uk/news/health/covid-19-vaccines-one-dose-reduce-transmission-phe-883638

minniemoocher · 24/02/2021 15:12

I would book a company who promised all those capable of being vaccinated were deliberately! The only proviso is that someone who cannot be vaccinated should be exempt, but so far they are saying one of the vaccines is suitable for everyone

FourTeaFallOut · 24/02/2021 15:15

I suspect that those people whose immune system is so fragile that they cannot have a vaccination are not well served by a career in a company that demands you work in multiple domestic settings every single day.

SeasonFinale · 24/02/2021 15:16

@Callforjustice

I wouldn’t want to use a company that is forcing its employees to do something against their will so I wouldn’t use this company. If we feel the vaccine works and stops us getting COVID then you are safe if you get vaccinated. Probably if i couldn’t have the vaccine for whatever reason then I would rather have neither vaccinated or in vaccinated in my home as we are good the vaccine does not stop transmittion and it’s not been made crystal clear wether the those vaccinated are injected with some form if the COVID virus so I wouldn’t take the risk.
each to their own. I would feel better that a company was instigating this policy and would therefore use them.
TingTastic · 24/02/2021 15:24

I would go out of my way to use a company that advertised all its workers had been vaccinated for a job inside my home. Shame I’m too far from Pimlico!

Angel2702 · 24/02/2021 15:24

It is not a live vaccine and nobody is being injected with corona virus.

Thegentleman · 24/02/2021 15:30

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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the request of the OP due to circumstances out of their control.

AKissAndASmile · 24/02/2021 15:40

Pimlico Plumber are the pits anyway.

starfish4 · 24/02/2021 15:49

Wasn't there something in the news about the AstraZeneca reducing transmission by 70odd%?

I know some people will be genuinely exempt and I have to accept that, but have to admit vaccinated employees are one of the reasons I'd chose to use a firm right now. If we've still got more cases that ideal, I think it could be something that's looked at on health and safety grounds for colleagues and customers.

Also, if you're in a workplace where uptake is very high surely that's important, less risk, staff feel safe and less time off.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 24/02/2021 17:33

@FourTeaFallOut

I'd be more likely to use the services of a company with a policy like this.
And me.
hatedbytheDailyMail · 24/02/2021 17:34

It has been clearly pointed out the vaccine does not prevent transmission, masks must still be worn

No it has not, so stop repeating this dangerous nonsense.

Unsure33 · 24/02/2021 17:38

@Callforjustice

They are only insisting for new employees so not forcing anyone . They just won’t get the job that’s all .

Unsure33 · 24/02/2021 17:41

@Thegentleman

Well perhaps we should all vote on a vaccine passport. It is no different than needing certain vaccinations for some countries. Does not make it mandatory just means you can’t visit those countries.

When the data comes in on the vaccines then is the time to consider the passport .

Callforjustice · 24/02/2021 17:43

@AKissAndASmile

Pimlico Plumber are the pits anyway.
He makes all his workers “self employed” so he doesn’t have to pay them sick & holiday pay, well that didn’t end well for Uber and he’s heading the same way
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Tupla · 24/02/2021 17:49

It's probably advantageous for employers as it would mean might mean less sickness (short and long term) and isolating. At the moment, though, they'd only be able to employ people in the priority groups.

MartiniDry · 24/02/2021 17:54

I wouldn't touch a company like Pimlico Plumbers. They won't respect the concept of bodily autonomy and as a result I don't respect them.

Callforjustice · 24/02/2021 17:55

@hatedbytheDailyMail

It has been clearly pointed out the vaccine does not prevent transmission, masks must still be worn

No it has not, so stop repeating this dangerous nonsense.

Professor Chris Whitty has been clear that the vaccines may not stop transmission as reported widely and in the Huf Post:- Professor Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, told a press conference in December 2020 that true herd immunity will only occur if we have vaccines that can reduce transmission between people. At the moment, we know the Pfizer/BioNTech and Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines can reduce severe illness from the virus, but less is known about their ability to stop people spreading the virus to others.
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RedToothBrush · 24/02/2021 17:55

Pimlico Plumbers like to be incredibly political and controversial.

The managing director is a guy called Charlie Mullins.

A quick peek at this wiki page and it says this:
Mullins was apprenticed to a local plumber at age 15, and started his own business in 1979, operating from a basement in Pimlico.

He is known for his collection of plumbing-themed number plates, used on the company's vehicles, and perhaps worth £1.5 million.

As of September 2018, Mullins has an estimated net worth of £70 million

Pimlico Plumbers donated £22,735 to the Conservative Party in 2015, and Mullins donated more than £48,000, in the two years to July 2017. He was a business adviser to David Cameron and George Osborne, and has been a vocal critic of Brexit.

In January 2018, Mullins announced that he would no longer be a Conservative Party donor, and declared his candidacy as an independent at the 2021 London mayoral election (which had been scheduled for 2020, before being postponed). In March 2018, Mullins said he would financially support the Liberal Democrats to support their campaign to prevent Brexit

And on the Pimlico Plumbers wiki:
It is known for its effective publicity, handled by Recognition PR and PHA. It was previously handled by Max Clifford. The company owns more than 100 plumbing-related number plates, fitted to its fleet of vehicles, such as LO 02 OLD (Loo too old), BOG1, DRA1N, W4TER and others. It gained considerable publicity through its employment of Buster Martin, who claimed to be Britain's oldest worker, cleaning vans part-time until his death in 2011. The firm's boss presented BBC Three show Britain's Best Young Plumber and has appeared on Secret Millionaire.

On 10 February 2017, in the Court of Appeal a plumber was found to have "worker" status for the purposes of various employment protection rights notwithstanding that he had been engaged as a self-employed individual. Pimlico Plumbers argued the plumber was an independent contractor but the Court of Appeal determined he was a worker with some employment rights. The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom subsequently granted Pimlico permission to appeal which, following a hearing on 20 and 21 February 2018, was unanimously dismissed.

In 2018, the company was criticised for erecting a large "Bollocks to Brexit" sign on top of their premises in Waterloo. Mullins defended the use of the sign, referring to the Sex Pistols' 1977 album Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols as precedent for being able to legally display the word in public

So with this in mind, do you think the intent of this policy is anything to do with covid? Do you think the company is particularly interested in workers rights?

Or do you think this is a PR machine looking for advertising and marketing opportunities for the business and feeding the personal ego and political views of its managing director?

With this in mind, I'd like to congratulate the OP in helping with that by splattering the company name all over MN.

BluebellsGreenbells · 24/02/2021 17:57

If passports are introduced for use in this country and are required to do things it will be a very slippery slope

The country you intend to visit sets the required inoculations, not the country you reside in.

If you want to go on holiday in future you look to see want boosters or injections you need before you go - that’s on the country YOU decide to visit and always have been.

3JsMa · 24/02/2021 17:59

Do you really think it's outrageous that the owner wants to make sure that his staff and the people they are working for,are safe to continue their job?I would not say that protecting own staff and the public is 'not nice',it's called responsibility.
Are you still using NHS/medical staff as they were forced to take vaccine as well?Hmm