Pimlico plumbers no jab no job policy

[Callforjustice]

A COVID vaccine only protects yourself you can still contract and pass on the virus. It’s not nice to make people do something they don’t want to for the sake of profits

@hatedbytheDailyMail

It has been clearly pointed out the vaccine does not prevent transmission, masks must still be worn

No it has not, so stop repeating this dangerous nonsense.

Please refrain from calling facts “dangerous nonsense” you as everyone are entitled to your opinion without trying to belittle others who do not share the same opinion or repeat information given by government experts

@Callforjustice

I wouldn’t want to use a company that is forcing its employees to do something against their will so I wouldn’t use this company. If we feel the vaccine works and stops us getting COVID then you are safe if you get vaccinated. Probably if i couldn’t have the vaccine for whatever reason then I would rather have neither vaccinated or in vaccinated in my home as we are good the vaccine does not stop transmittion and it’s not been made crystal clear wether the those vaccinated are injected with some form if the COVID virus so I wouldn’t take the risk.

That's daft. The company is protecting staff, customers and community. Seems like a good thing to do

It’s no use quoting Chris Whitty from December 2020 saying it’s not known whether vaccines reduce transmission. That statement, true at the time, has been superseded by date released in the last couple of weeks.

Ask Chris Whitty now, he would give a different answer.

@3JsMa

Do you really think it's outrageous that the owner wants to make sure that his staff and the people they are working for,are safe to continue their job?I would not say that protecting own staff and the public is 'not nice',it's called responsibility. Are you still using NHS/medical staff as they were forced to take vaccine as well?

This. To work in healthcare you have to take many vaccinations to protect yourself and the patients. Not sure if you still have to but doctors had to have an hiv test to work in clinical setting. I don't know why people are so disgusted in this company. I would choose a tradesperson who has had the jab over a person who hasn't.

Nice sum-up here, of the questions and (possible) answers to the question around infection and transmission

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00450-z

Personally, I'd err on the side of caution and choose a vaccinated plumber myself.

Professor Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, told a press conference in December 2020 that true herd immunity will only occur if we have vaccines that can reduce transmission between people

That was in DECEMBER ffs.

Please refrain from calling facts “dangerous nonsense” you as everyone are entitled to your opinion without trying to belittle others who do not share the same opinion or repeat information given by government experts

See above. Your outdated bollocks are not facts.,

PS, its nothing to do with opinions. Opinions don't matter, facts matter, science matter. Your opinions do not matter.

Don't use them then OP. Hardly think the company is worried about losing a customer like you.

’It’s not been made crystal clear wether the those vaccinated are injected with some form if the COVID virus so I wouldn’t take the risk.

And that is the line of an uneducated anti vaxxer Go and spend some time reading some proper science.

It amazes me when people like @Callforjustice ignore posts with the very information they're looking for to repeat outdated info.

But hey, if we're going back in time then the WHO said there's no evidence of human to human transmission, so I guess nobody got sick or died.

The fact that someone has been vaccinated means they are less likely to actually have covid which means they are less likely to pass it on. I think anyone going into peoples homes should have it and care home workers. If you don't want to have it then you don't need to work for them but as a customer I would be more likely to use them if I knew they had been vaccinated

Pimlico boss just does anything that gets his business some attention. Edina attention he’s forever doing it he was in the daily mail yesterday for gods sake.

@3JsMa

Do you really think it's outrageous that the owner wants to make sure that his staff and the people they are working for,are safe to continue their job?I would not say that protecting own staff and the public is 'not nice',it's called responsibility. Are you still using NHS/medical staff as they were forced to take vaccine as well?

I know NHS workers an it’s also been been reported by MSM the uptake there has been lower than expected. The Pimlico company issue is not about keeping his “self employed” workforce safe it’s about them having a choice and not being denied of work if they decide they do not want to be vaccinated, it is not nice to make somebody do something they don’t want to. As for the customers safety and as pointed out by government officials including professor Chris whittey the vaccine may not prevent transmittion, masks must still be worn. Others disagree with this, however, I like others have watched the press announcements and I have not heard anywhere that the vaccine prevents transmittion. If everyone protects themselves then they are safe, therefore I believe other peoples health details are none of my or Charlie mullens buisness

Good for them they did a great job of my bathroom pre Covid

They're plumbers. They don't need to interact closely with anyone. Open the door, point to the problem, hey presto. Maybe Pimlico need to get over themselves. Or start wearing jackboots, more like.

Recent reports are saying that the vaccination does help to prevent transmission.
And of course we still have to wear masks because not everyone has had the jab yet!

No, it does reduce transmission, just not entirely remove it. At present it appears to be more effective at reducing transmission than originally thought.

The purpose of the vaccination programme is to reduce pressure on the NHS, allow the country to get back to normal, and for the economy to rebuild.

So yes, if you have a public facing role you are going to have to have it. I also think vaccine passports are coming for everything from getting on a plane to going to the cinema. So you may as well get used to it OP.

It's probably advantageous for employers as it would mean might mean less sickness

What happens if someone gets sick as a result of the vaccine? Can they sue the employer?

It's horrendous to think ones job would be dependent on a jab. We're treading dangerous waters.

With this in mind, I'd like to congratulate the OP in helping with that by splattering the company name all over MN

It's already in the news as certain media regurgitate what he said over and over again God knows to what end

Is every poster who would rather employ Pimlico Plumbers unable to receive the vaccine due to medical reasons?

If not, why do you care? You will be vaccinated yourselves, so you will be protected anyway

It's morally unacceptable to deprive someone of their right to earn a living for no good reason.

I don't care for, or ask what jabs a tradesperson has when they are doing work in my home. I tend to stay away and let them get on with their job. Their health, and vaccination record, is none of my business. Can they also insist on only working in homes where all the residents are vaccinated?

I have worked in a hospital but because my patient contact was "social", I did not need jabs. When I trained as an ODP, I was getting my hands into blood and all sorts, so had to have vaccinations.. to protect me if anything. Insisting on vaccs for people who work in roles where they are working on house plumbing, as opposed to human plumbing, makes no sense to me.

@turquoisewaters

Is every poster who would rather employ Pimlico Plumbers unable to receive the vaccine due to medical reasons?

If not, why do you care? You will be vaccinated yourselves, so you will be protected anyway

It's morally unacceptable to deprive someone of their right to earn a living for no good reason.

Not everyone will be covered even once everything in the UK has reopened; pregnant women can't be jabbed, CEV children can't be jabbed, in fact no children can be jabbed, and vaccines have a small percentage who don't get immunity. I wouldn't hire them because they're too expensive and I have two decent plumbers, both of whom will get jabbed as soon as they can. I think businesses can set criteria for their own workers though, and they have judged there is a business advantage to get contracts working with vulnerable people (plus loads of other news reports) by confirming everyone has been jabbed. It isn't being made a legal requirement, it's a trained profession where if someone doesn't like it they can get a job independently or at one of hundreds of other plumbing firms.

If not, why do you care? You will be vaccinated yourselves, so you will be protected anyway

No vaccine is 100% effective.

Pimlico Plumbers are execrable for other reasons.

OP would do well to learn the difference between ‘can’ and ‘may’ to avoid inadvertently spreading misinformation about vaccines.

Also worthwhile looking at information more recent than December (and what CW said about transmission and the vaccine in early Feb.)