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ICU full of young people

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Sleeplessinsaltend · 20/02/2021 07:40

I keep hearing from people on here that ICU is full of young people, if we unlock then the wards will be full of 30/40 year olds. Looking at this it seems not to be the case.

ICU full of young people
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frumpety · 20/02/2021 20:25

but yes it's always older people in my experience in icu.

What do you class as 'older' @DownstairsMixUp ?

frumpety · 20/02/2021 20:34

@DownstairsMixUp I presume you mean ICU beds for covid patients as the ones for non covid patients are taken up by young men according to another poster on this thread ?

Multicover · 20/02/2021 20:43

@DownstairsMixUp

I'm honestly done with mumsnet, someone above reckons they know 8 people in their 30s in icu lmao. So many bull shitters on here.

Fwiw, from my experience the stats are correct. I move between three large acute trusts and I've seen 1 person in their 30s in icu with covid since we locked down. They did unfortunately have severe uncontrolled asthma but yes it's always older people in my experience in icu.

@RandomGrammarPun was asked to clarify the gaping discrepancies in her claims but hasn’t managed to do so therefore I’ll safely assume they are completely and utterly made up. Never sure if MNHQ should delete such ridiculous, scaremongering bollocks or leave it to stand. If people don’t spot the contradictions in the later posts, they’ll believe the first Hmm
MuddyWalks · 20/02/2021 20:48

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/14110427/teen-16-no-health-conditions-dies-covid/amp/

16 year old and 13 year old with no underlying health conditions die of Covid in the last 2 days.

Pastanred · 20/02/2021 20:55

They died within 28 days of a test

Not necessarily a death due to covid at all

So in theory they could have gotten run over, fallen off a roof and have been positive (or caught in hospital as its rife) and died and they’d be in the death stats

I don’t believe for a minute they died of covid

Delatron · 20/02/2021 21:02

A calm and sensible post @Pastanred
Rare on here at the moment.

I seem to spend my whole time correcting scaremongering posts.

Mintjulia · 20/02/2021 21:06

Your graph shows that 900 people younger than 64 died in that one week. And that's while we are in lockdown, schools, retail, hospitality, leisure and most work places are closed.

We have to consider how many would die in that age group if lockdown was lifted.

PracticingPerson · 20/02/2021 21:08

@Pastanred

They died within 28 days of a test

Not necessarily a death due to covid at all

So in theory they could have gotten run over, fallen off a roof and have been positive (or caught in hospital as its rife) and died and they’d be in the death stats

I don’t believe for a minute they died of covid

Believe what you want. If a medic put covid on their death certificate = someone who actually understands the situation thinks they died of covid.
frumpety · 20/02/2021 21:09

@Multicover can I ask you what age you deem young and what age isn't young ? 50, 60 or 70 ?

Pootle40 · 20/02/2021 21:11

@MuddyWalks

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/14110427/teen-16-no-health-conditions-dies-covid/amp/

16 year old and 13 year old with no underlying health conditions die of Covid in the last 2 days.

Wasn't the case of the 16 year old the one who was morbidly obese? That's not a 'oh it doesn't matter' comment it's that fact that we keep ignoring morbidly obese and saying someone doesn't have underlying medical condition.
Pootle40 · 20/02/2021 21:12

@DownstairsMixUp

I'm honestly done with mumsnet, someone above reckons they know 8 people in their 30s in icu lmao. So many bull shitters on here.

Fwiw, from my experience the stats are correct. I move between three large acute trusts and I've seen 1 person in their 30s in icu with covid since we locked down. They did unfortunately have severe uncontrolled asthma but yes it's always older people in my experience in icu.

And what I don't get is why they come out with these BS in the first place?
RandomGrammarPun · 20/02/2021 21:13

Thanks for summonsing me with the @... Hmm

No, not made up bollocks at all.

I think you said my discrepancies were around using the phrase "right now" incorrectly. OK. The people I knew of in ITU were all in at the same time in the last week of January. I was last in school two weeks ago so have up to date info on some of them but not all. I'm not sure whether that's a discrepancy? I was taking the timescale allowed to be discussed as "this wave" or "since lockdown 3" or "pretty recently, since vaccinations have started are more younger people getting very ill" as being the allowed timeframe. Apologies if not.

I incorrectly said that they were all HCPs or education staff. 7 out of 8 are (the 8th having caught it from her teacher dh).

Someone above twisted what I'd said to be "I knew" 8 x 30 year olds. I clearly said two were in their fifties (one, a very good friend of ours who has just come out of hospital). I also didn't claim to know all of these people myself. I said, in conversation with colleagues, we were shocked to realise that many of us knew someone pretty young all very ill at the same time.

There's no agenda in my post. It's not bullshit. It's not scaremongering.

Multicover · 20/02/2021 21:17

[quote frumpety]@Multicover can I ask you what age you deem young and what age isn't young ? 50, 60 or 70 ?[/quote]
@frumpety The scaremongering bollocks I’m referring to earlier in the thread came from someone who claims they know ( or knew as the time scales are fuzzy) 6 people aged 29-37 all in ICU at the same time. None with underlying health conditions. Apparently.
That young enough for you?

Moonstone1234 · 20/02/2021 21:19

The scaremongering is rife this evening.

Baileysforchristmas · 20/02/2021 21:20

Oh yeah a friend of a friends aunties niece was ill with Covid 🙄

Multicover · 20/02/2021 21:22

@RandomGrammarPun

Thanks for summonsing me with the @... Hmm

No, not made up bollocks at all.

I think you said my discrepancies were around using the phrase "right now" incorrectly. OK. The people I knew of in ITU were all in at the same time in the last week of January. I was last in school two weeks ago so have up to date info on some of them but not all. I'm not sure whether that's a discrepancy? I was taking the timescale allowed to be discussed as "this wave" or "since lockdown 3" or "pretty recently, since vaccinations have started are more younger people getting very ill" as being the allowed timeframe. Apologies if not.

I incorrectly said that they were all HCPs or education staff. 7 out of 8 are (the 8th having caught it from her teacher dh).

Someone above twisted what I'd said to be "I knew" 8 x 30 year olds. I clearly said two were in their fifties (one, a very good friend of ours who has just come out of hospital). I also didn't claim to know all of these people myself. I said, in conversation with colleagues, we were shocked to realise that many of us knew someone pretty young all very ill at the same time.

There's no agenda in my post. It's not bullshit. It's not scaremongering.

When you’re in a hole, stop digging Wink
FaithfullyYours · 20/02/2021 21:28

I agree OP. And as usual PastaRed and Delatron make good points Smile.

@Moonstone1234 it's sad really.
I don't understand why people would want to scaremonger just for the sake of it... there is no sense or logic that prevails in their posts as well, just anecdotes.

Delatron · 20/02/2021 21:31

Thanks @FaithfullyYours

I don’t understand it either. There must be some psychology behind it. Lots of people are scared and worried right now and scaremongering without knowing all the facts is awful.

frumpety · 20/02/2021 21:33

@Multicover didn't really answer my question though, what do you deem 'young' ?

For me its anyone under working age, so under 67, but I work in healthcare, so I usually stretch this to under 75 as they tend to be independent in ADL's. Plenty of over 75's achieve this too, before anyone gets offended Wink

Northernsoulgirl45 · 20/02/2021 22:25

Looks like 50 is when the risk shoots up. Hardly old

Mittens030869 · 20/02/2021 22:34

@Northernsoulgirl45

Exactly. That's why the t

Mittens030869 · 20/02/2021 22:36

@Northernsoulgirl45

Oh dear, posted too soon! Essentially, I was agreeing. This is why the Covid Recovery Group are pressing for lockdown to finish at the end of April. Because everyone aged 50+ will have been offered the vaccine by then. (That's the plan anyway and they're doing very well so far.)

aleC4 · 20/02/2021 22:37

I'm an eternal optimist when it comes to covid.
I have to see the positives.
I can't bear to keep seeing posts that are all doom and gloom.
However my friend who is my support bubble works in

aleC4 · 20/02/2021 22:39

Sorry posted my accident.
My friend who is my support bubble works in a hospital in the East Midlands. She is a senior sister.
She is on her knees and has told me repeatedly that the people in her icu are all in their 30s/40s.
Many of them are not surviving.
This scares me.

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