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No school for us til 9th April at the earliest. Royally fucked off now.

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WeAreFromThePlanetDuplo · 18/02/2021 17:30

Announcement just made for NI that most kids won't be going back to school until after the Easter holidays, and there's no guarantee of that. So fed up.

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middleager · 18/02/2021 20:09

That's not our experience though Woolff 'just' half a term. Where do you live to have been so fortunate?

My one year 10 son was not in school for 45 days between Sept and Dec, my other year 10, it was 20 days, due to high cases of Covid at their respective secondaries in the West Midlands.

This is in addition to the initial March to July lockdown.

Remote learning was a mixed bag during lockdown and in my one son's first two out of six self isolations from school, (one of which included a dose of Covid) , we had days without any lessons whatsoever, before Ofsted guidelines re remote learning were introduced.

My other son's inner city secondary simply closed early in December as it was overwhelmed. Around 20% of the classes had Covid in both schools.

My year 10s have actually missed months of in-school learning in a GCSE year, not just a term.

A seemingly endless cycle of self isolations dominated my home for months and while I do believe that a temporary closure is the lesser of two evils for US, the missed education in school is not minimal, sadly.

I'm dreading them going back despite this being key GCSE years. There was weekly disruption and so many cases. As parents in our late 40s, we feel like sitting targets in our high risk area.

Loopyloututu · 18/02/2021 20:09

What? 450 people today.

And is that of covid or with covid. Mustn’t forget that.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 18/02/2021 20:09

@Mummy195

Around 1000 deaths per day, (not per month/ week, but per day) from an infectious disease that can be brought down sounds like people dying like flies to me. That death is permanent.

I would rather sacrifice a few more weeks/ months of being 'fed up' , than have that unforgiving death.

Me too. For God’s sake, where the resilience or compassion?
AmIBeingTwatty · 18/02/2021 20:10

@ThePenIsBlue wow ok, if you’re using one day to justify how many have died per day this year then well done you!

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 18/02/2021 20:10

I really hope we follow suit. Really drive down cases and vaccinate as many as we can with second doses for many and avoid another lockdown this side of summer. There are plans in place for remote education and there’s less interruption to the economy If we avoid another lockdown.

Like another poster says, it’s not just the transmission to staff, families and communities but people not following other rules as think they don’t need to if mixing is going on in schools.

siestalady · 18/02/2021 20:10

Oh phew so glad someone is here to explain it to me.

How about the science of an entire generation fucked over mentally, socially, economically though? Or does only covid science matter now?

TimeForLunch · 18/02/2021 20:10

So sorry, OP. This is awful. The cost is too much, it's not fair to continue to deprive children of their right to be in school. If England do the same the numbers of keyworker/vulnerable children will increase for sure which will make it even more unfair on those who cannot go in because their parents are in the 'wrong' jobs.

TwelvePaws · 18/02/2021 20:10

I can't do down time or illness as I'm quite fond of paying my bills and trying to stop DD from smashing up the house.

Ffs, If you are very ill, you don’t get to decide you ‘don’t do illness.’ Very offensive.

WeAreFromThePlanetDuplo · 18/02/2021 20:10

@TooMuchYarn

That is shocking. Poor kids. Schools here were closed for six weeks last Spring, and have been open since apart from holidays. The kids have to wear masks from Year 5, and teachers wear FFP2 masks (provided in school). And the windows are kept open (army have provided blankets to some schools). So not great, but it’s a lot better than closed for months on end.
Where are you @TooMuchYarn? That doesn’t sound too bad. NI kids didn’t go back after spring lockdown at all til September, and they’ve been off again since Christmas.
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diggetydoolittle · 18/02/2021 20:17

Old news. Most vulnerable people have been vaccinated. Are you hoping that Covid can be completely eliminated?

Over 50s have not been vaccinated and there are many over 50s working in schools so it's not the case that most vulnerable people in schools have been vaccinated.

In addition, school staff under 50 who are pregnant cannot be vaccinated so that's another vulnerable group who cannot be vaccinated.

Children with asthma that hasn't required frequent use of steroid tablets (not inhalers) or hospital admissions have not been vaccinated. There's another vulnerable group. Neither have children who are diabetic. There's another.

TableFlowerss · 18/02/2021 20:19

@siestalady

Oh phew so glad someone is here to explain it to me.

How about the science of an entire generation fucked over mentally, socially, economically though? Or does only covid science matter now?

YES YES YES ONLY COVID MATTERS! Fuck everything else, nothing else matters except covid.

MH of the young doesn’t matter - it can’t be seen - therefore doesn’t count to many people, didn’t you realise!?!

gallbladderpain · 18/02/2021 20:22

I'm very glad they've taken this approach

For all the 'oh im so sorry you must be beside yourself posts' Wise up people....seriously, its an extra couple of weeks.

No wonder children have mental health issues if this is the way the parents are getting on...breaking down in tears when they hear a school return is delayed by a few weeks !! If schools going back a couple of weeks later than first predicted is all you have to currently get upset about then count yourself bloody lucky !

WeAreFromThePlanetDuplo · 18/02/2021 20:24

It’s not a couple of weeks. It’s from March 8th to April 12th.

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Bananabuddy3 · 18/02/2021 20:25

I understand why people want the academic year repeated, and as a teacher, I think many children would benefit from that - however i will be shocked to the core if that happens or if even the option to choose happens, because the logistics would ripple on likely for the next 14 - 17 years.

Let’s say, this September, every child restarts their current year. Fine for the ones already at school apart from reception, because a new reception cohort would be starting too. A year group double the size. So every primary school would have to find 1,2,3, possibly 4 or more new classrooms, plus employ new teachers and TAs. A state school budget comes per pupil so this isn’t necessarily unaffordable - but space? Whack some mobile classrooms up (if there’s room) and loose vital playground or field space (if there’s any - lots of inner city schools have virtually no outdoor space).

So that year group will be double the size and will work its way up for 7 years, at which point primaries will be back to original size. Then this double year groups hits secondary. Now it’s the secondary schools turn to find the extra capacity. Where I live, the secondary schools mostly have at least 8 form entry. Some have between 10 and 13 classes per year. Having to double that is going to be mayhem, and unfair on that year group in the long run. Then there’ll be twice as many applicants for universities....The competition will be ridiculous.

And that’s before considering the gap in people starting uni and FE colleges. Plus those who actually don’t need to repeat a year.

So repeating a year I just don’t see happening.

The other option I’ve seen thrown around with year repeating is to hold the new reception starters back at nursery by a year - but then once again, the nurseries will unlikely have the space to keep another years worth of children in (or no new ones will start). Thinking of the spacing and the waiting list at my old nursery and many others, we would have to very quickly construct a place for the extra provision. I can also see many parents being extremely peeved at having to fork out for nursery for an additional year when their child should be at school.

I honestly think, if some common sense is used (we should be so lucky) and the curriculum is adjusted, exam modules are adjusted and reduced, and OFSTED and the like lay off a bit, we can save children from the academic gaps. We start academic learning so early in this country. I honestly believe the education of our primary aged children can be salvaged. Many countries don’t start formal education until 7 or 8 and exceed us! I also believe the same for secondary, as long as reasonable adjustments are made, if that means a curriculum rewrite, a more cross curricular approach in order to accomplish every goal, reducing content of exams temporarily....whatever it means, we do it.

I have so many mixed feelings on this. I just can’t believe we are about to hit the one year point.

Woolff · 18/02/2021 20:26

@middleager

That's not our experience though Woolff 'just' half a term. Where do you live to have been so fortunate?

My one year 10 son was not in school for 45 days between Sept and Dec, my other year 10, it was 20 days, due to high cases of Covid at their respective secondaries in the West Midlands.

This is in addition to the initial March to July lockdown.

Remote learning was a mixed bag during lockdown and in my one son's first two out of six self isolations from school, (one of which included a dose of Covid) , we had days without any lessons whatsoever, before Ofsted guidelines re remote learning were introduced.

My other son's inner city secondary simply closed early in December as it was overwhelmed. Around 20% of the classes had Covid in both schools.

My year 10s have actually missed months of in-school learning in a GCSE year, not just a term.

A seemingly endless cycle of self isolations dominated my home for months and while I do believe that a temporary closure is the lesser of two evils for US, the missed education in school is not minimal, sadly.

I'm dreading them going back despite this being key GCSE years. There was weekly disruption and so many cases. As parents in our late 40s, we feel like sitting targets in our high risk area.

I was replying to the idea that it had been nearly two terms of 'online learning' . Which it hasn't. Its been six weeks this academic year, so far.

I accept there was one term last year (Easter to Summer) where schools were closed to most, although there was May half term holiday, then many back by June. I agree remote or 'online learning' was a mixed bag, which was partly why I said there hadn't been two terms of it. The curriculum was suspended last year and most schools provided something anyway.

The last six weeks have been totally different from last year, because things have been transferred to remote learning and largely plans have continued instead of being paused.

But the Sept to Christmas term is 15 weeks in school (Jan to Easter is 11 / May to summer will be 13). It's a pain that your kids were isolating during the longest stretch of opening. But that could happen to any child, or yours again, even if schools 'open' in a couple of weeks.

TableFlowerss · 18/02/2021 20:26

@gallbladderpain

I'm very glad they've taken this approach

For all the 'oh im so sorry you must be beside yourself posts' Wise up people....seriously, its an extra couple of weeks.

No wonder children have mental health issues if this is the way the parents are getting on...breaking down in tears when they hear a school return is delayed by a few weeks !! If schools going back a couple of weeks later than first predicted is all you have to currently get upset about then count yourself bloody lucky !

Ignorant comment. You don’t have school age kids clearly. If you do, they’re happy to be off so you can’t see their MH suffering.
gallbladderpain · 18/02/2021 20:26

@WeAreFromThePlanetDuplo

It’s not a couple of weeks. It’s from March 8th to April 12th.
Which is a couple of school weeks yes. Given 2 weeks out for easter out of that. Stop counting the holidays we would be off them anyways !

It's 3 weeks of school.....3 extra weeks of home learning !

MarshaBradyo · 18/02/2021 20:28

Woolf right so online learning is overstating the provision. Not much help is it.

For non KW dc they’ve had one term in last three if they’re lucky. A bit more if 8th March goes ahead.

Not sure why you’re trying so hard to talk this away.

TwelvePaws · 18/02/2021 20:30

It’s not a couple of weeks. It’s from March 8th to April 12th.

The kids would be on Easter hols for some of that to be fair. So it’s not as bad as you make it seem by writing it like that.

TwelvePaws · 18/02/2021 20:31

X post gallbladderpain.

TimeForLunch · 18/02/2021 20:32

It's been since December so it really is that bad!! An extra couple of weeks in the classroom now would make a huge difference, even if just to re-familiarise children with being in school so that they are ready to get straight back into it after Easter.

TableFlowerss · 18/02/2021 20:32

@TwelvePaws

It’s not a couple of weeks. It’s from March 8th to April 12th.

The kids would be on Easter hols for some of that to be fair. So it’s not as bad as you make it seem by writing it like that.

It doesn’t matter - the kids will still not see their friends for 5 weeks longer than they would have otherwise
GintyMcGinty · 18/02/2021 20:32

The kids would be on Easter hols for some of that to be fair. So it’s not as bad as you make it seem by writing it like that.

It's more weeks of social isolation, not seeing their friends, being stuck in front of devices.

School is more than just education.

gallbladderpain · 18/02/2021 20:33

@TableFlowerss

I've young children (YR & Y4) who have been unable to return to school since March 20 ! I've been home educating that whole time because i have a CEV child.
I'd sacrifice anything if my child didn't have to be in that position where their only interaction is with medical professionals outside of our household but we have people moaning over the slightest little thing.

My children have got on with it, they haven't complained once. They have far more understanding and compassion than many adults on these threads and they are resilent because they've experienced things far worse than a handful of extra weeks off school.

Heyhohi · 18/02/2021 20:33

Cannot people see it’s not just 3 weeks of home schooling - more missed cancer appt, cancelled ops, more businesses closing down, etc

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