Coronavirus and "human rights"

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I was thinking to start a thread about this, this morning, but couldnt think of quite the right words.
Now I have been on a thread, and with the permission of another poster, I am reposting her words here.

"A year ago if you'd told me what the rules would be I wouldn't have believed you. I would have thought it a human rights abuse. I feel scared, unsafe. I'm living in a world where the government can put law abiding citizens into solitary confinement. That's fucking terrifying. I couldn't escape it. I couldn't escape what they did. Nothing feels safe, knowing they can take everything. Take away your loved ones."
[She wrote it in the context of living alone and being separated from loved ones].

I think this will be one of the many enduring memories when people look back on what has happened in the last year. That what we think of as human rights, were, and still are, being easily taken away from us.

Some posters are confusing the need to put in place public health measures to control a virus with taking sweeping emergency powers that remove almost all rights and freedoms, and the ability as adults to exercise personal responsibility.
And I'll tell you who else is confusing the two: the government. They certainly can't tell the difference.

I'm glad this thread is mostly of the view that snatching away people's liberties like this is unacceptable, and must never happen again. Also how terrifying it is that there was barely a shred of resistance from the public to a sudden dictat that we cannot even see our families. In fact, I'm heartened when I hear on the news about big parties being held secretly - not everyone has lost their mind to the brainwashing. Sorry, Boris - not the effect you wanted, was it?

Also it's truly scary the way the government exercises mind control. It was clear that in December and January, the general plan was "keep the plebs as frightened as we possibly can during the dark winter months; throw all the doom and gloom at them that we can; tell them the vaccine is ineffective, so they don't fight over it".

And suddenly, a few days ago, almost overnight, the narrative suddenly switched, as I thought it might. "Time for leaky leaky of hopium to the plebs. Now it's time to talk about easing lockdown, even if we don't actually do it. Time to talk about Covid being treatable like flu. Time to talk about measures to come after lockdown. But shhhhh, don't say anything about unemployment and recession - the plebs are not ready to think about that yet, we don't want rioting yet." Yet another new variant. But is it going to be followed by doom and gloom again? Is it all part of "see how the plebs react if we mention a variant this time"?

You are right
Why can't people see what is happening?
Just been reading in independent about Scotlands route map which ours won't deviate hugely from
Driven by data oh yeah and new variants
Our old lives have gone forever. Time for people to wake up

wanderings I honeslty don't think Boris and co. are competent enough to run an effective propaganda/mind control campaign like that.

Plus no one has ever said the vaccines are ineffective. Just that a very limited study showed one vaccine might not prevent mild (to moderate possibly?) disease in the SA variant.

@pinkearedcow

wanderings I honeslty don't think Boris and co. are competent enough to run an effective propaganda/mind control campaign like that.

Plus no one has ever said the vaccines are ineffective. Just that a very limited study showed one vaccine might not prevent mild (to moderate possibly?) disease in the SA variant.

No. But SAGE are

Why would SAGE do that @Beaniecats?

No.
But SAGE are

But Beanie says different, yes?

It's not the only issue, but the infiltration and influence of the CCP is not to be under estimated. Sorry for links:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9046783/Leaked-files-expose-mass-infiltration-UK-firms-Chinese-Communist-Party.html
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511615/How-Chinese-communists-infiltrated-Britain-push-party-line.html
www.newswars.com/bombshell-leak-exposes-systemic-infiltration-of-western-firms-by-chinese-communist-party/
www.lifesitenews.com/news/leaked-chinese-communist-party-list-reveals-infiltration-of-covid-vaccine-manufacturers

It's complicated. Boris is weak but Kier/labour are no better. Just my unpopular opinion as usual

And Peter Hitchens quoting Neil Ferguson and Sage on CCP methods: twitter.com/ClarkeMicah

@pinkearedcow I honeslty don't think Boris and co. are competent enough to run an effective propaganda/mind control campaign like that.
Maybe they're not; but perhaps that's the reason that some of us are noticing they're doing it, or at least having a good try at it, because they're doing it so clumsily. Boris and his men have a habit of suddenly shifting from one narrative to the other, shown by all the U-turns; the more cunning politicians would alter the narrative more gradually, if they don't want people to notice that it's mind control.

@Isolatedizzy
And the Govt aren't even mentioning vaccine passports - infact they keep ruling it out! The press are the ones banging on about vaccine passports!

Dominic Raab was on LBC yesterday and was asked if vaccine passports would be used for places like supermarkets. He said they were not ruling it out and it was under consideration.
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-domestic-vaccine-certificates-under-consideration-dominic-raab-admits-12217870

twitter.com/LBC/status/1361260505579544579

@pinkearedcow

Why would SAGE do that *@Beaniecats*?

I don't know is the answer But they are

Someone a while back told me the govt restrictions are like Biderman's chart of coercion & now I can't unsee it lol
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The only reason 'vaccine passports' are under consideration is that other countries are talking about requiring them as a condition of entry. You don't have to have one, you just won't be able to travel to countries that require them.

As I said earlier, some countries already do that. West African countries require yellow fever certificates. It's a way of protecting their citizens not as an abuse of civil liberties.

[quote EffIt]Someone a while back told me the govt restrictions are like Biderman's chart of coercion & now I can't unsee it lol
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Yes absolutely

[quote TravellingTilbury]And Peter Hitchens quoting Neil Ferguson and Sage on CCP methods: twitter.com/ClarkeMicah[/quote]
Hitchins has very little credibility when it comes to covid.

www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1539/street-of-shame

[quote EffIt]Someone a while back told me the govt restrictions are like Biderman's chart of coercion & now I can't unsee it lol
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100% - it's like they are following it to the letter!

It makes for sad reading without the filter of fear.

@EffIt You’re so right. I’m sure the widely publicised “police stop ramblers having coffee” and “raids on packed nightclubs” are part of “demonstrating omnipotence”. (The coffee one backfired, though.). Certainly “occasional indulgences” rings true. If there’s a U-turn on schools going back (because of a “variant” - their stock reason for U-turns) then we know for certain it was an “occasional indulgence”, ready to be snatched away. See also talking about the 10-year sentences, which were clearly intended to scare the public; I’m glad several senior figures have called the government out on it.

Ther isn't really any such thing as "human rights".

@Flaxmeadow

Ther isn't really any such thing as "human rights".

That's an interesting twist on the thread Flaxmeadow.

Is that what they want us to believe

@Mittens030869

The only reason 'vaccine passports' are under consideration is that other countries are talking about requiring them as a condition of entry. You don't have to have one, you just won't be able to travel to countries that require them.

As I said earlier, some countries already do that. West African countries require yellow fever certificates. It's a way of protecting their citizens not as an abuse of civil liberties.

Out of interest I was looking at which countries were restricting entry to UK citizens. In December 50+ didn’t want us anywhere near them, not even with a quarantine. I can absolutely see why international vaccination passports might be required if people actually want to get into anywhere. That’s not really our governments call is it?

Domestically the idea of vaccination passports for things like supermarkets etc. is just daft. Until the point everyone has had the opportunity to actually have a vaccine it can’t be insisted on and by the time everyone who wants a vaccine has had one it’s less of an issue. Proof of vaccination for employment would be the same. There are always jobs that are going to be higher risk but if this is going to be government sanctioned then they’d have to provide easy access to anyone who wanted one and have a period of time to allow it to take place.

Besides, allowing only vaccinated people to do certain activities in the time period it would take to vaccinate the entire adult population wouldn’t do much economically. You’ve basically cut out massive consumer groups which doesn’t make sense commercially.

That's an interesting twist on the thread Flaxmeadow.

Thanks

Is that what they want us to believe

What are our "human rights"? Where are they?

@Mittens030869

The only reason 'vaccine passports' are under consideration is that other countries are talking about requiring them as a condition of entry. You don't have to have one, you just won't be able to travel to countries that require them.

As I said earlier, some countries already do that. West African countries require yellow fever certificates. It's a way of protecting their citizens not as an abuse of civil liberties.

It's not the only reason though is it as my post is specifically about Dominic Raab admitting they were under consideration for domestic use such as going into a supermarket which would be an abuse of civil liberties. If you watch the clip I posted you will see that's what he says so it's not only about travel.

I understand the need for vaccines when visiting other countries, I used to arrange for people to have them in a previous job, however I don't think it's right to impose such restrictions when we are talking about an experimental vaccine, but that's just my opinion.

The problem is that so many, like some PPs above, think they are outside the law in matters like this, and they 'know better'. Clearly they don't, or we wouldn't be one of the worst affected countries. Thus rules have to be enforced, even though it's all too half-arsed in my opinion.

The reality is that there are a number of domestic-use vaccine passports being trialled at the moment/ They are part of the ridiculous Moonshoot programme to allow people to return to work, leisure and travel.

I sincerely hope that they never become required for entry to anywhere within the UK; like a previous PP I think businesses would soon grow tired of turning away paying customers at the door and I don't think they could be viable long term. But then I didn't think lots of things could happen until they did.

I hope all of you who disagree with us on this thread will be signing the petition to show that we ALL disagree with domestic immunity passports under any circumstances.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957

@ginghamstarfish

The problem is that so many, like some PPs above, think they are outside the law in matters like this, and they 'know better'. Clearly they don't, or we wouldn't be one of the worst affected countries. Thus rules have to be enforced, even though it's all too half-arsed in my opinion.

What, the brand new made up laws about not seeing our family, leaving the house or letting our kids play with their friends?

All to half-arsed?

I think you're on the wrong thread!