40% of Covid cases caught IN hospital

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I know it’s the daily mail but it’s all over

So whilst our lives have been fucked, they realistically needed to improve infection control in hospital.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9254495/Stopping-Covid-spreading-hospitals-substantial-reduction-wave-deaths.html

Is it the air conditioning, spreading it about?

Unlikely given how few places in hospital actually have air conditioning.

When you think of airborne particles, think of an elderly person brought into A&E with dehydration because they are currently having a bout of D&V, turns out the bout was caused by norovirus and everyone in the surrounding area manages to ingest the tiny particles of vomit or poo from the air and hey presto, everyone in A&E is now infected. All those people are then transferred to different wards in the hospital and develop symptoms and boom, massive outbreak.

@Rupertpenrysmistress

Well done for suggesting solutions.

I would imagine ventilation is difficult . And of course there must be other contributing factors But surely the nhs trust managers ( who mainly get paid more that the pm) should be using their budgets to ensure prevention is as good as it possibly good be .

Surely they should be asking for a structured way of minimising risk , they are the managers that’s what they are paid for . Unfortunately it does seem to vary between hospitals.

Can you remember the old days of matrons shouting at you if you sat on a bed . I remember when my son was prem being shouted out for open8ng abingdon using my hand instead of the pedal 😥 quite rightly so .

@Anonanon12 I would suggest he wears a mask at all times, patients don't have to but it's encouraged, if possible asks for a bed by a window and opens it and treats any surface as potentially infected so when he goes to the loo he could wipe down with clinell wipes before he touches anything, including door handles! You can buy them on amazon or he could ask on the ward.

I thought this statistic was quite well known - the main vectors of transmission, by far, have always been care homes and hospitals. It's a successful sleight of hand by the government that we've all been made to believe that individuals not keeping a 2 m distance outdoors etc are responsible. It's quite sad that as a society all our focus is on Gladys sitting on a bench with a friend to drink coffee, rather than questioning why the infection controls in our hospitals are so low.

And what proportion was caught in care homes? If we add these two figures together surely community transmission must be comparatively low?

Thanks Trumplosttheelection, yes he will do all of the above and it's more of an outpatient appointment I think, to be hooked up to a 24 hr blood pressure heart monitoring thing and then back the next day, but it's still a worry because we have done the absolute maximum we can for a year to minimise catching it, it just feels like he will definitely bring it back from hospital

@Rupertpenrysmistress
Sorry, this thread really isn’t to NHS bash. I am 100% reliant on the NHS and it’s staff for my type 1 diabetes. It was merely to say that with this and care home already, community transmission is probably lower than we’ve been lead to believe. Sorry for the misunderstanding. If it’s any help, I am a teacher so I have to read teacher bashing threads all the time

@CarrieBlue

Oh good, we can blame the NHS - that’ll make it even easier to sell off

Well if infection control is anything to go by then I don't think you'd get many buyers for the NHS anyway.

Surely the spread is more to do with the fact that if a nurse works with someone who then tests positive, the nurse doesn't have to self isolate even though they are a close contact as the guidance says they wear ppe and social distance..

So if I work in retail and wear a surgical mask and gloves and a colleague tests positive I then have to self isolate for 10 days

BUT if I'm a nurse who wears a surgical mask and gloves and I work with a colleague who tests positive I'm not required to self isolate. I can come back to work in the hospital instead of self isolating, like everyone else has to..

Hmmm @ssd generally hospitals work best with nurses in them. We've sent large numbers home if PPE has been breached eg errors at handover or lunch. If we sent everybody home who worked with somebody who is positive we would have ended up with wards staffed with a complaints manager, a podiatrist and a doctor thirty seconds back from mat leave.

Outpatients Will be a little easier. They have more control over the volume of people. Like others have said wear a mask use hand sanitizer and tell him to avoid touching anything. Sanitizer when he leaves - remove and discard mask properly. Use hand gel again. when he gets home proper hand wash and change clothes.

There was a thread recently where so many posters knew somebody who caught Covid in hospital.

A family member's brother 59, died as a result of catching Covid after being placed on a ward with Covid positive patients.

I'm not surprised by the findings.

No worries. I love my job but is hard hearing certain things. I know teachers take a bashing too. All par for course. Just keep doing our best until we can move forward. trump I would almost like to work on that ward with the aforementioned staff 🤣.

I should have read beyond the headline and the thread title.

Somewhere between 8.8% and 40% may have been caught in hospital during the first wave but we don't really know for sure how many doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

6 bed wards, no space for staff, no changing rooms, no laundered uniforms, 100% occupancy rate. Truck and trailer staffing everywhere.

I'm not surprised one bit.

There was a report before about supermarkets being one of the main places for spreading the virus.
While supermarkets are letting any amount of people in and hospitals not taking enough precaution, it's always going to spread either way. Mean while we can't go round a friends house for a cuppa incase we spread it. Its laughable it really is.

@Trumplosttheelection

Hmmm *@ssd* generally hospitals work best with nurses in them. We've sent large numbers home if PPE has been breached eg errors at handover or lunch. If we sent everybody home who worked with somebody who is positive we would have ended up with wards staffed with a complaints manager, a podiatrist and a doctor thirty seconds back from mat leave.

So it's ok that nurses that work with positive cases on a non covid ward arent required to isolate?

This worries me. DS is going in as a day patient for an operation in a couple of weeks. We stick strictly to the rules and (I know it's sneered at on here) I quarantine my shopping and post etc. I feel like we are going to catch it there.

It is really worrying.

Well it makes sense. If hospitals are full of people presenting at a &e with Covid and spreading it on route to the covid ward. It easily then spreads by medical staff/cleaning staff/portera all of whom have had much higher rates than the rest of the population. Put on top people refusing to wear masks in hospital and the problem spreads further. Its the same as why factories are so bad. People close together and moving between areas.

@whatisthislifesofullofcare

Maybe the slogan should be changed to: Stay at home Save yourself from the NHS

it is looking like that isnt it!

Melbourne has just gone into a hard lockdown after Covid was spread in a quarantine hotel by something using a nebuliser, so not surprised transmissions are high in hospitals.

[quote Redbrickwall]@Rupertpenrysmistress
Sorry, this thread really isn’t to NHS bash. I am 100% reliant on the NHS and it’s staff for my type 1 diabetes. It was merely to say that with this and care home already, community transmission is probably lower than we’ve been lead to believe. Sorry for the misunderstanding. If it’s any help, I am a teacher so I have to read teacher bashing threads all the time [/quote]
This statistic doesnt tell us anything about community transmission. What it is saying is that a high proportion of those currently in hospital with Covid (a figure that is often quoted) were originally admitted for something else. They may not have any Covid symptoms at all and this was the case for 4 out of 5 patients who recently tested positive on a ward that a family member was recently working on.

@Ritasueandbobtoo9

6 bed wards, no space for staff, no changing rooms, no laundered uniforms, 100% occupancy rate. Truck and trailer staffing everywhere.

I was thinking that about uniforms - after the pandemic we need to wash uniforms at the hospital, massive overhaul that returns uniforms to the ward.

It doesn’t make sense that NHS staff have to wash their own uniforms. Especially in a pandemic.

Anecdotally y 3 uncles that have died have died from COVID they contracted in hospital. They were frail and elderly but would have a better seat if there is such a thing, at home.