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Melbourne is back in Stage 4 lockdown.

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groovergirl · 12/02/2021 03:24

Howdy all. I'm in Melbourne, and it's just been announced that we're back in Stage 4 lockdown from midnight. It's because of some coronavirus cases in a quarantine hotel at the airport.

We've done this before, and everyone was saying "You've got this, Melbourne!" and telling us how awesome we were. But we've been so awesome for so long, and we're all so tired of this. I think most Australians are prepared to do masks and practical precautions for the long term, but these sudden hits to work, school and social life are hard to bear. I couldn't see my family in Sydney this past Xmas because the border was closed.

Hand-hold, anyone? I'll be OK tomorrow. Just in despair now.

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Pimlicojo · 12/02/2021 08:02

No need to apologise OP. Lockdowns are no fun for anyone, no matter where they are or how long they are for. I remember when we came out of the first lockdown in London. I couldn't quite believe we'd shut down our lives for 14 weeks. Now, months later, that first lockdown feels like a dream compared to this one where it's freezing outside and it feels like we have nothing to look forward to.

You know you can do this and you'll come out the other side. Try and stay positive and take care.

OverTheRubicon · 12/02/2021 08:02

[quote Neonlightning]@TryingNotToPanicOverCovid, did you hear about the "ring of steel" in the major Melbourne lockdown? Police set roadblocks around the city, and you literally could not leave unless you had a specific exemption (hard to get).

Police also patrol, and check people who are out, their reason and their ID address. People are reporting breaches, for instance parties or gatherings outside of limits. This is actually seen as a positive action here, keeping everyone accountable.

Don't forget as a nation we cannot leave; I personally couldn't understand people in the UK going to Europe on holidays in the middle of a pandemic...

Our vaccine roll out is much slower than the UK and Europe because it is under control here. Our annual death toll has actually decreased. No impact to hospital and doctor capacity for non-COVID illnesses. Fingers crossed it will kick off from March and finish up in October.[/quote]
Again, we get that, but most people are not leaving their suburb, let alone city. Nor have most been leaving the country (and we're not allowed to leave now either). I'm sure that a small number of Victorians would have travelled globally if allowed to also - and that's all it takes, a small number. Blame the government for that, not the average citizen.

Melbourne's lockdown was more strictly enforced, true. If it's going to be lockdown Olympics, in Spain the children were locked inside houses for 6 weeks, that's harder again. What we mean is that it has been constant grinding lockdowns for so long here, that we have also seen a huge death toll and unemployment toll. Like lots of others here I have lots of family in Australia, a pretty deep understanding of what is going on there, and I would swap in a heartbeat.

Thedramasummer · 12/02/2021 08:06

@MaxNormal

So Australia not exactly enjoying the "normality" that the zero covid fanatics keep touting then.
Most of Australia is enjoying normality or as close to normal as the world gets. I’m sure Melbourne will be fine after their lockdown.
DoodleLovin · 12/02/2021 08:09

Really......

Neonlightning · 12/02/2021 08:10

@OverTheRubicon, I was just adding some context to the "brutal lockdown" comment. Along with suburb 5km restrictions, our police were deployed to actively manage compliance. As sadly not everyone will follow the rules.

Note, not claiming is was/is the hardest lockdown globally, this is something I would prefer not to compete on. I think it's ok to not be ok, even when other people have it harder than you. Life is hard enough right now without some kindness.

longtimemarried · 12/02/2021 08:10

Groovergirl, I hope you get through the five days ok. Recently bereaved, loss of three members of the family in 6 months, and not seen friends or extended family for a year. Groovergirl, there is always someone worse off than yourself, count your blessings

PurpleWh1teGreen · 12/02/2021 08:13

As it happens, I was on a training course yesterday and realised it was the first time I had driven on a dual carriageway for months. Other than that I leave the village to drive 4 miles to the nearest town to go to work (HCP) or the supermarket.

I wasn’t able to hold a proper funeral for my Mum. Zoom is not what she deserved.
3 friends have had weddings cancelled
Our “holiday” last year was a weekend in the next county
My “local” exercise choices are running along a busy main road or across muddy fields.
My youngest DD missed most of year 6 and the rites of passage she should have enjoyed; a residential, a play, leavers party, planning the school fair. This year she has has been learning remotely since Christmas. She hasn’t done a single club for a year and hasn’t socialised with friends out of school since November.

I have sympathy with anyone in lockdown, but “you’ve never had it so good” rings very hollow.

groovergirl · 12/02/2021 08:16

Love the term "Misery Olympics" but I never intended this thread to be an Australia vs Britain stoush. More like "we're all in this, and here's the latest update".

Anyway, here's some context for why Australians get so freaked out by snap lockdowns. In Dec, when the NSW/Vic border had reopened, lots of people went holiday camping along the Murray River, which marks the border. Many Vics went to the NSW side and vice versa. Just before Xmas both state govts decided to close the border with less than 48 hours' notice. Fine for happy campers who could hop in a car and go home, but many in remote areas didn't get the news in time. They got trapped. They couldn't get back to their jobs and homes, had to pay for accomm and only recently have they been allowed to return.

Today there's been a scramble for travellers to get back to their home states in time, and the airlines are loving it. A Syd-Mel air fare, normally had for as little as $150-$200, went up to $800 within minutes of the lockdown announcement.

A PP asked about curfew. Yes, Melbourne had an 8pm curfew for part of the Jun-Oct lockdown, with police patrolling at night. Just wish the police had come across me the evening I crashed while cycling home just before curfew. Torn-up hands and knees, twisted ankle, popped rib. I would have welcomed being busted and carted home!

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groovergirl · 12/02/2021 08:22

@longtimemarried and @PurpleWh1teGreen Flowers I am so sorry.

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Thedramasummer · 12/02/2021 08:27

Unfortunately any Australia thread turns into Uk v Aus. You could say something as simple as I love koalas and you would get bombarded with chlamydia riddled drop bear comments.

BiddyPop · 12/02/2021 08:27

In Ireland, we were told yesterday that the lockdown which was imposed on 30th December will continue until April or early May - with restrictions only being eased "when numbers of cases are consistently low for 4 weeks". While the prime minister would still go off for his jaunt to Washington in March if he is invited.

Every other country near us has already cancelled or otherwise sorted the major school exams. Our Minister for Education is twisting things in negotiations and not telling unions things before making announcements so has lost all trust, and we are still waiting for information on schools returning and exam years. Yesterday a teachers union pulled out of talks.

All sports have been cancelling their plans for the rest of the season in the past 3/4 days, just quietly to players rather than discussed in media - so that's now all gone even for training.

We were told last week that not only are the government introducing quarantine hotels, we should not travel in or out of the country for the entire year.

The only shops open are absolute essentials - food, repair supplies, pets supplies.

I haven't seen my parents since last July, when I saw them for a meal on Saturday and a coffee on Sunday on a weekend trip (we stay with DMIL as she has beds, DPs already had 2 other DSiblings and families staying). I saw 3 DSiblings when we all drove to meet at the mid point between imps for a walk around a lake and swop presents between us in December - we met for about 2 hours in total.

Because we were all abiding by the rules, our sociable street haven't had events all year, we had 3 Sunday evening "beer on the green" gatherings for an hour each all spread out on the green, back in early summer. But our regular dinners and bbqs in each other's houses/gardens or going to restaurants have not happened because groups weren't allowed meet.

The only people in my house since this time last year were a plumber to replace a boiler that blew, chimney sweep (necessary as the stove is in much greater use than normal) and an electrician to repair an appliance, my hairdresser twice (it's usually every 6 weeks).

I am absolutely exhausted because I am working from home, as is DH, and both of us have had huge increases in pressure and no outlet of other people. I was moved role 3 times last year - just as we locked down, temporary role to do emergency legislation in May, and to do another emergency legislation role but permanent move - so I've had to learn 3 different sets of files, legislation, teams, etc int he year and not had anyone to just pop my head into to ask any questions about.

Our pubs have been closed since before 17th March and not reopened once in our area. We were allowed to travel within the country for about 7 weeks over summer (and I was still doing emergency legislation for half that so couldn't get a break), and for 10 days over Christmas - but that was so late after reopening hospitality that numbers were already booming again so hence I met my siblings in a forest for a short time only.

We haven't even been able to get out into the countryside for a proper hike other than over Christmas and that was just so busy. My Cubs haven't been for a hike all year, let alone any of their overnight trips (normally 2 hostel trips and a 2 night camp in tents) - and we've already rebooked the rebooking of the spring hostel trip to 2022. We only met 9 times as a whole group last year - we start our year with new Cubs in Jan, midterm in Feb, lockdown from March, so after the initial 7 sessions we had 1 in July and 1 in December. Otherwise we met on zoom or in sessions of only 2 Patrols at a time. The Leaders are all exhausted trying to keep it going, and had been hopeful of resumption at least in 2 Patrols outdoors mode by late Feb/early March - but now that looks more like May.

Shops are now running out of lots of things or changing brands as Brexit means shortages or many companies no longer supplying. And with a dd who has ASD (Aspergers syndrome) and ADHD, that is causing significant problems for us. Shopping for food is so stressful as I need to bring. Her to make choices, but so many people don't give space. And I have no break from her intensity as while she's distracted with school online - I am working online. And when she's off, I am still working or trying to keep the house from falling down around me. Or failing to watch tv as that interferes with Xbox. And it's too cold to do more than a short walk, ans we're not allowed to go further than 5km anyway. So I can't even go get a coffee and escape.

Meanwhile Australia and NZ are mostly living normal lives.

Thedramasummer · 12/02/2021 08:30

@Neonlightning

I remember when Melbourne started locking down last year and people ( in the Uk) were up in arms about armed police enforcement and draconian quarantine measures.

MarshaBradyo · 12/02/2021 08:31

@Thedramasummer

Unfortunately any Australia thread turns into Uk v Aus. You could say something as simple as I love koalas and you would get bombarded with chlamydia riddled drop bear comments.
The poster going on about how much more brutal it is probably didn’t help.
Veuvestar · 12/02/2021 08:35

5 days?! Do me a favour

You actually have no concept of what it’s like over here given your last update about people having their holidays cut short.
When it drags on for months at a time, it’s soul destroying. There are large swathes of the population surviving on beans or soup kitchens, regular families, who used to have 2 regular jobs. And have fallen through the govt financial schemes. There are people who have been shielding for a year, not been over their doorstep, never mind on holiday.

Thedramasummer · 12/02/2021 08:38

@MarshaBradyo no probably not, but I think they were trying to remind people that Melbourne had already experienced a harsh lockdown and the OP had a right to feel worried that it could happen again. I think the manor in which they delivered this message could have used a sprinkling of sugar

User647647 · 12/02/2021 08:39

I don’t understand why this happens.

So if there are positive cases in the quarantine hotel, then the whole city goes into lockdown?

Is it because maybe the hotel workers will bring it into the city? If so, shouldn’t there be no contact between the workers and travellers to avoid this situation?

Thanks!

Thedramasummer · 12/02/2021 08:40

@Veuvestar

The OP has already apologised for not considering the feelings of the Uk posters who are in a long lockdown.

Quit4me · 12/02/2021 08:41

Most of us in the Uk are battered and bruised- to drained really to handhold each other even, let alone someone who has a lock down for 5 days. I wish ours was only 5 days so hard I could cry

spiralshell · 12/02/2021 08:42

When many people say UK they mean England. The different areas of the UK have had different restrictions for a while now. In Wales exercise has to start and end at home - no driving somewhere to exercise allowed, and police are at many beauty hot spots to check for cars. The latest lockdown in Wales started before Christmas, a couple of weeks ahead of England.

And regarding the mentions of Leicester. Yes, they’ve had it harder than other areas in England but restrictions were still less than those in Wales over Summer. People I know there were able to meet in restaurants with friends legally which we couldn’t do as well as go on holiday and travel around the UK as they pleased.

DoItYourselfNeverHappensAtOurs · 12/02/2021 08:43

@DemiGorgon

I am so pissed off that tennis players have been designated as 'essential workers' yet the rest of us have to stay home.

And Scotty from marketing (the PM, full of talk and hot air) has told us that the factory to make the vaccine will start production end of March. He is waiting to see if it kills recipients in other countries before we can use it, I guess. No other reason to delay this long.

he is a fuckwit. As is Daniel Andrews the state premier

My parents, sister and nieces and nephews are in Melbourne. They are FURIOUS about the tennis going ahead to begin with and then the tennis players being designated essential workers.

I am in the UK and have not seen them since July 2019.

Lockdown is crap for anyone. I doubt it will be only 5 days though.

Neonlightning · 12/02/2021 08:44

@User647647 - it's community spread risk dependent.

For returning citizens in hotel quarantine, no issue if people test positive. They are moved into special "hot" hotels and now will remain in quarantine until they test negative.

The current risk is the UK strain has infected a hotel quarantine worker, through a nebuliser being used. It's scary how infectious this strain is. The quarantine worker has then been in the community, and we have seen an increase of close contact infections.

We everyone is really worried about is a worker at an airport cafe being infectious for 8 hours of work, putting a lot of people at risk. Risk is reduced however by mandatory mask wearing in airports and on planes.

Idea is to do circuit breaker now, identity every single close and indirect contact for self-isolation, then review at 5 days of the number of infections. This seems to be a working strategy in AUS. Short term pain for freedom.

Thedramasummer · 12/02/2021 08:44

@User647647

I don’t understand why this happens.

So if there are positive cases in the quarantine hotel, then the whole city goes into lockdown?

Is it because maybe the hotel workers will bring it into the city? If so, shouldn’t there be no contact between the workers and travellers to avoid this situation?

Thanks!

They are only locking down due to the community transmission. They believe it’s because it’s the Uk strain it’s more transmissible. There isn’t any contact between the workers and those in quarantine . I think they are also concerned that someone in the medi hotel picked it up whilst there and tested positive after they left quarantine. The good thing now is that all their cases can be traced back to the medi hotel. They don’t have anyone that they don’t know where they contracted it ( to my knowledge)
bluetongue · 12/02/2021 08:46

It’s possible to recognise that this pandemic is shit for people in different countries for different reasons.

In Australia we had pretty much eliminated Covid but it keeps getting let back in through a hotel quarantine system that was meant to be a short term fix. As much as I don’t want Aussies stranded overseas it’s also not fair that millions of people keep getting locked down because the federal government can’t step up and take responsibility for border security and quarantine like they should.

It’s not the Covid free paradise in Oz that many think it is. Many of us haven’t seen family interstate for over a year because of the worry around border closures. As others have reported not one vial of vaccine has been injected yet.

I’m not expecting Australia to be able to stay Covid free forever but not having to worry about these snap lockdowns after even one case quarantine would be nice.

EvilPea · 12/02/2021 08:47

Bloody hell.
Can’t we just admit it’s shit for everyone.

It’s 5 days @groovergirl you’ve got this Flowers
At least 5 days you can see an end in sight and there’s hope that everyone will stick to it as it is 5 days.

We’re you still doing the mask and distancing thing? Or had it all gone out the window?

Veuvestar · 12/02/2021 08:49

The drama summer- and then posted again about people getting stuck on holiday, or having to pay loads for flights! Hardly listening.