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Melbourne is back in Stage 4 lockdown.

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groovergirl · 12/02/2021 03:24

Howdy all. I'm in Melbourne, and it's just been announced that we're back in Stage 4 lockdown from midnight. It's because of some coronavirus cases in a quarantine hotel at the airport.

We've done this before, and everyone was saying "You've got this, Melbourne!" and telling us how awesome we were. But we've been so awesome for so long, and we're all so tired of this. I think most Australians are prepared to do masks and practical precautions for the long term, but these sudden hits to work, school and social life are hard to bear. I couldn't see my family in Sydney this past Xmas because the border was closed.

Hand-hold, anyone? I'll be OK tomorrow. Just in despair now.

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Thedramasummer · 14/02/2021 00:24

It’s was perhaps mentioned over here when they reached 60,000 cases the start of January, but it’s not constantly talked about and would have been easy to miss if you don’t have an interest in the Uk news.

I’m trying to be objective as I know all too well what goes on in the uk so I do pay attention when there is news over here and seek out additional news. I couldn’t tell you what the US situation is or the Canadian situation is because I don’t have friends or family there.

spottygymbag · 14/02/2021 00:33

Re news reporting. I think news is consumed differently now too. We (friends, DH and I) don't really sit down and watch the news. We use the news feeds on our phones mostly. These are tailored, by us and by the algorithms, to show a certain bias to keep us coming back. So DH gets more of the US news but had very little idea of what was happening in the UK. My feed was vice versa. It's been interesting to see the difference in what we are exposed to and how it's shaped our view on the pandemic as a whole.

Furries · 14/02/2021 01:02

@everythingthelighttouches @timeisnotaline - I don’t think I explained it very well. Was trying to get across the fact that Australia has hard borders between states, so a) if you’re stuck in the wrong place then you’re stuffed and b) there is zero often of nipping between areas.

Yes, the Tier rules in the UK meant we SHOULDN’T travel between areas. And maybe it was enforced better in parts of the UK. I was in a Tier 2 area pretty much surrounded by Tier 4 - and it was rife with people flocking here to take advantage of it (I’m not “blaming” them, but it definitely happened). And there were numerous posts on here back in the late Autumn of people saying they were going from 4 to 3 or 2 areas nearby.

Furries · 14/02/2021 01:03

*often = opportunity!

Furries · 14/02/2021 01:23

As an aside, I’d kind of like a bit more input from Australians - not necessarily on this thread, as it seems to have heightened emotions (understandable).

There have been SO many posts/replies on MN over the past six months or so - the view/argument etc about how the UK situation is so shit compared to what Australia and NZ have done. Why aren’t we doing the same as them? I find it interesting to hear how things might not be as rosy over there. Not just because of 5 day lockdowns, but vaccine rollout, the difference in what is happened ing in each state (ie, is it frustrating if what a neighbouring state is doing seems better than your own state).

I’m surprised that Australia aren’t grabbing this huge advantage they have right now - surely rolling out a fast vaccination programme would be the ideal thing to do. The case numbers are so low, it seems crazy not to be taking that advantage ASAP.

ClaryFairchild · 14/02/2021 02:01

@Furries - as a former UK resident of over a decade who has moved back to Australia fairly recently, and lived through the Victorian/Melbourne lockdown, I'm happy to answer particular questions as best as I can.

But, in all honesty, luck was part of it. We had a Premier who didn't give a flying fuck if he was viewed negatively for doing the right thing. He wanted COVID eliminated and took steps to do it - and faced a LOT of criticism from the Prime Minister. Yes, we were in a worse lockdown than the rest of the country, but we had the high cases, the other states didn't so didn't need to have such a strict lockdown.

Our small outbreaks have, I think, been handled faster than NSW. Other states have also gone into complete lockdown when they've had minor outbreaks, but NSW seem to have tried to keep things ticking over, and doing area lockdowns, and as a result have taken longer to get on top of the outbreaks, although in fairness they HAVE got on top of them, and perhaps with less financial impact on their residents than we have had here in Victoria.

Another part is as others have said, the UK is a hub. Flights go through the UK to other parts of the world. Australia is usually the end destination. Closing international borders was easier. Especially as a nearest neighbours like China, Singpore etc also closed borders.

Financially, the impact for the government was less, because we didn't furlough. Instead we had Job Keeper which was a flat $1500 per fortnight, and Job Seeker payments were increased by $550, but this reduced earlier than did JobKeeper. This really benefited the lower income earners, and while giving a safety net to mid level and higher earners the government on the whole probably has a lesser bill at the end of this than the UK government has with their furlough payments.

Generally, we are more spread out, we don't have the same number of high density apartments. The one outbreak in a high rise apartment caused it to be put into very sudden lockdown and noone was allowed in or out of the building at all but medical personnel. Emergency food parcels were organised and delivered to residents.

We were put into a State of Emergency, rules were RULES and not guidelines. Fines were immediately established for breaches, and when it seemed they might not be effective they were increased. When we needed permits to go to work more than 5 km from home you would often pass Police checkpoints where you had to provide ID and the permit.

Those who were home quarantining had random visits by the Health Department and if they weren't at home they had to give a damn good reason or face steep fines.

They checked households who were reported, finding people hiding in cupboards, under beds, etc and fined them. If someone had a party, ALL the attendees were fined not just the party holder.

For or my part, seeing the numbers going down gave me hope and strength to keep going. I'm honestly not sure how I'd have coped if I kept seeing high numbers the way you have in the UK. Being in lockdown for nearly a month with zero numbers was ok, knowing that our restrictions were shortly going to be eased.

My DS's school was brilliant and provided us a laptop for DS to use until the laptop we ordered for him was delivered. The homeschooling provided by my DS's schools was brilliant. The teachers were amazing and so supportive.

And I think the biggest thing was the daily media conferences which the Premier and Health Minister/Chief Health Officer ran every day. This included the question time at the end by journalists - including those who had clear agendas. We weren't reliant on the information that the media organisations released, I and lot of fellow residents watched/listened to the news conferences live. I never felt that information was being kept hidden. The numbers were always given to us.

Contact tracing now traces all contacts of the positive case AND their contacts as well - so close contacts of close contacts. But they were only ever able to do that from our first cases that happened after we had reached zero.

ClaryFairchild · 14/02/2021 02:03

Oh and being able to get tested for ANY symptoms, no matter how minor. That really helped identify cases when we had high numbers and contact tracing just wasn't able to keep up.

ClaryFairchild · 14/02/2021 02:06

And the reason we're not getting vaccinated? Firstly, we didn't NEED to rush through the approval BECAUSE of our low numbers. Secondly, the vaccine will be coming from overseas, so we are reliant on the vaccines getting to us, especially with the EU threatening to forbid allow vaccines to be exported out of the EU. Thirdly, and probably quite selfishly, they're assessing the outcomes of the vaccine programs in other countries, like the UK.

Ticklyrain · 14/02/2021 02:13

The situations in Oz and NZ are quite different (although I can see how they would look similar from the UK).

I’m in NZ and life is fairly normal. We haven’t had any form of lockdown at all for six months. We’ve only been in lockdown for a total of 3 months out of the past 11. The only noticeable difference is people now wear masks on public transport (which is a good thing and hopefully sticks around).

I’ve got close relatives in Melbourne, my understanding is that the situation in Australia has been variable by state, but they’ve had some form of restriction for most of the outbreak, and can’t travel interstate. It’s no where near the severity of the UK though, but it’s a lot less ‘normal’ than here.

Re vaccines: this is where I think NZ/Oz will struggle. My relatives in Oz are in a high risk group and have had zero comms around vaccination. The first batch of vaccines only arrived in NZ last week and we don’t seem to be in a hurry to get going with it all.

In some ways this is correct- we have less need. But we can’t keep our borders shut forever. I have been supportive of Jacinda and co but I also suspect that they are in no hurry to roll out the vaccine. They have managed this crisis well, credit to them, but it has come at the cost of a housing market that is now so out of control expensive that I believe it will hugely amplify inequality in society. It doesn’t affect me personally but I can see how being the ‘we nailed COVID’ government is more likely to get you re-elected than the ‘your kids will never buy a house’ government.

Also, I’m really sorry for what the UK are going through and agree the original post was a bit tone deaf given it’s a UK site. Hopefully you break the back of it soon.

Furries · 14/02/2021 02:22

@ClaryFairchild - thank you, can see that is a pretty comprehensive reply. I’m up way past my bedtime so am going to read again tomorrow and respond.

Hope you are able to enjoy the rest of your weekend, I’m having a call tomorrow with a really good friend of mine in Perth (Brit, he moved there about 25 years ago). I know he was finding it hard as, although (before their recent firebreak lockdown) community transmission was zero, the job/housing market was really suffering.

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 14/02/2021 02:31

I'm in Perth, where we just had a 5 day lockdown due to a hotel quarantine security guard catching it. He was our first and only case of community transmission since April, and thankfully didn't give it to anyone else. I hope you guys in Vic get just as lucky! I do sympathize with you, but we really are incredibly lucky here, things are so much worse in the UK. My mum in NI has barely left the house in months, she is bored out of her mind! As of today we don't even have to wear masks here, so we only had two weeks of mask wearing, and people were moaning about that!

As for vaccine rollout, we don't need to rush it, other countries need the vaccine more than us right now. I think Scomo said we will all be vaccinated by September anyway, so that's not long to wait.

ClaryFairchild · 14/02/2021 02:34

@alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 - I do feel for you over in WA. You are far more isolated than the rest of the country. There is no way you could make it back to WA before any sudden border closures and hotel quarantine is too expensive to justify the risk.

cbt944 · 14/02/2021 02:45

Australia’s onshore COVID-19 vaccine capacity has received a boost, with the AstraZeneca vaccine to reach its final manufacturing stage in Australia next week.

Drug manufacturer CSL has confirmed the first two million doses produced at its Melbourne facility are on track for release by the end of next month, subject to approval by the Therapeutic Goods Administration.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison on Friday morning toured the facility, which he said would be dispatching over a million doses per week from mid-March. ...

Fifty-million doses of the AstraZeneca jab will eventually be manufactured at the site as part of an around-the-clock manufacturing push.

www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-australia-astrazeneca-vaccine-to-enter-final-australian-production-stage-next-week/news-story/b720997d8e97d66689e283b58fd5eb0d

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 14/02/2021 02:45

Thanks for the sympathy ClaryFairchild, but there's really no need. I feel like we are living in one of the luckiest places in the world at the minute! I just wish I could bring all my UK and Irish friends and family out to live here. I really want the whole world to get all this shit under control so I can see my folks again!

AviciaJones · 14/02/2021 02:51

This lockdown is for the whole of Victoria, not just Melbourne. Most of us are very grateful to Dan Andrews, the Victorian Premier, who worked really hard fronting up to the critical media for 120 consecutive days during the second wave Victoria experienced last year.

The virus recently mutated in the UK and is far more contagious, this is the reason for this instant lockdowns in Australia because no one wants the mutated UK virus to spread and get out of control.

It’s far better to have short, sharp lockdowns to eliminate Covid than try and live alongside the virus.

When the virus was eliminated last year after the second wave it was such a good feeling to feel safe and normal again.

I hope things get better in the UK, many of us have friends and family going through this uncertainty.

Pimlicojo · 14/02/2021 09:19

The competitive misery on here is exhausting. Lockdown is tough for everyone. It doesn't help to compare with others. I'm in London and I know that other areas in the UK have had a tougher lockdown. Equally, there are areas who've had it much easier than us. It's not a competition. We're all suffering.

everythingthelighttouches · 14/02/2021 09:29

Furries

Thank you, yes, you make a valid point about the state borders being closed and it’s true the tiers weren’t enforced here. (Although I would still say the vast majority were compliant and news/knowledge of those breaking the rules are disproportionately amplified). But your point stands.

Another poster also pointed out that although these states are thousands of miles away, equivalent in distance of all the way across Europe, it may be more common to have family living that distance than it is here, because it is still the same country.

I’d also echo what furries said about appreciating Australian input to explain the details of the situation over there.

Having been told to “educate” ourselves, that’s what I did yesterday and whilst what I found were broadly similar rules (albeit properly enforced), it is actually quite difficult to find information, especially for past phases of the pandemic.

I was also looking at information about U.K., because it’s hard to remember what was in place and when and where. Even though I know exactly which government websites to go to, it’s hard to piece it all back together.

Because of all of that, Clairyfairchild and all the other recent posters, it is really interesting to read about the issues you are facing and your synthesis of the different restrictions.

I’m actually starting to realise now why your premier has put in place such strong enforcement and punishment.

It must be incredibly hard to hold the line over there. People will really resent the restrictions when they are not at immediate risk. It’s a human thing, most people are the same. You only have to look over here to see that even in the face of everything we have to deal with here, some people still don’t want to comply.

I actually starting to think the same/similar restrictions in Australia probably do feel more draconian and more resented.

I am reminded of a quote I read back in January 2020. It was from I think a former director of the CDC (US) Michael O Leavitt, in the early 2000s. Something like

“Everything we do in public health before a pandemic will seem like an over reaction. Everything we do afterwards will seem inadequate”

Australia and U.K. exemplify this very well.

SparkysMagicPiano · 14/02/2021 09:39

@eaglejulesk

Yes, I guess the majority of posters are UK based, but I see many posts from people who don't live in the UK, and they are just as entitled to have an opinion as anyone else.

I think you will find they are only allowed an opinion as long as they don't dare to criticise anything the UK does, and quietly take all the criticism from the UK based posters about their own countries.

You're not wrong!

As it happens, I don't live in the UK (or Australia) either but I have been told on previous threads about lockdown that I have no right to comment as I don't pay my taxes in the UK. Another strange MN "rule" that isn't actually real.

MarshaBradyo · 14/02/2021 09:42

Ha at that the amount of flak we’ve received from all areas.

spottygymbag · 14/02/2021 10:09

As a side note New Zealand has just locked down Auckland and moved the rest of the country to level 2 with a few hours notice and effective from midnight tonight. For three cases, but one who has been in a high school. After more is known they will make a decision on how to proceed.
They will be enforcing a border around Auckland with paperwork required after the first 24hrs.
My friends restaurants will shut with no economic support, a friends wedding may or may not go ahead next weekend. My nieces school camp has been cancelled.
Still not a patch on the UK situation but it's like living with the sword of Damocles dangling because you just never know when it will all go tits up!

AlecTrevelyan006 · 14/02/2021 12:00

This is the problem with the zero Covid approach - there’s no wriggle room. Any amount of cases ushers in a lockdown

CountessFrog · 14/02/2021 12:08

I love Australia with a passion, having lived there, I understand that your news outlets aren’t quite as good - I always watched the bbc when I lived there, we used to joke about ABC and 7 and their ‘vague news,’ to the extent that I remember them only broadcasting Australian medal winners in the olympics - cutting away before you saw the gold medal being awarded if an Aussie hadn’t won.

But still, you have to admit it’s pretty lacking in self awareness to complain on a British site. Come all who wish to comment, the more the merrier. But have a bit of self awareness.

And perhaps start an Aussie version of mumsnet?

OverTheRainbow88 · 14/02/2021 12:11

@timeisnotaline

I’m in melbourne. It’s 5 days. It’s crappy but isn’t it a bit insensitive to choose to complain about this on a uk site? I know how much tougher it’s been on my friends there.

This. Seriously @groovergirl pick your audience, it’s 5 days.

Cornettoninja · 14/02/2021 13:32

[quote OverTheRainbow88]@timeisnotaline

I’m in melbourne. It’s 5 days. It’s crappy but isn’t it a bit insensitive to choose to complain about this on a uk site? I know how much tougher it’s been on my friends there.

This. Seriously @groovergirl pick your audience, it’s 5 days.[/quote]
Are you a couple of days in now? Halfway mark almost!

To be fair to @groovergirl, she may have started the thread but it was later posters being outright hostile to the suggestion this may have been aimed at the wrong audience.