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Melbourne is back in Stage 4 lockdown.

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groovergirl · 12/02/2021 03:24

Howdy all. I'm in Melbourne, and it's just been announced that we're back in Stage 4 lockdown from midnight. It's because of some coronavirus cases in a quarantine hotel at the airport.

We've done this before, and everyone was saying "You've got this, Melbourne!" and telling us how awesome we were. But we've been so awesome for so long, and we're all so tired of this. I think most Australians are prepared to do masks and practical precautions for the long term, but these sudden hits to work, school and social life are hard to bear. I couldn't see my family in Sydney this past Xmas because the border was closed.

Hand-hold, anyone? I'll be OK tomorrow. Just in despair now.

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Hardbackwriter · 12/02/2021 20:16

I kind of get why so many Australians and New Zealanders are so smug - after being used to the 'cultural cringe' it must feel very good to feel world-leading and like other countries are looking to you as an example of 'doing it right' (even if that narrative ignores the huge advantages they had compared to Europe in handling this). It's not terribly kind, though.

LimitIsUp · 12/02/2021 20:18

"Oh, and don't forget the ooh, we can't close our borders coz we need all the trucks/food/French cheese/cheap German groceries hmm.*

This comment is ^^ woefully ignorant. We are not autarkic in the UK and rely on imports of fresh food from the EU to feed the nation.

Many essential goods are exchanged both ways between intertwined economies, so for example the Pfizer vaccine made in mainland Europe uses an additive made by a factory in England (Yorkshire).

LimitIsUp · 12/02/2021 20:24

I think there is also a cultural misunderstanding. Australians like to big themselves up
(Yay for you, nothing wrong with that), whereas the British are more self deprecating and self critical hence reports of a small minority of rule breakers are magnified and give a distorted picture of reality

StartupRepair · 12/02/2021 20:28

Well competitive misery does not bring out the best in anyone. I imagine every poster had a tough 2020 and is potentially feeling bleak about 2021.
One more Time - Melbournians know that 5 days is a very short time. What we're expressing here is the initial shock at going in a few hours from an almost normal existence back to stage 4. I think we have a lot of unprocessed trauma from last year and it has just brought it all back again.
I have friends and family in the UK and cannot imagine how hard your winter has been.

ragged · 12/02/2021 20:28

Was NZ actually more stringent?

I'm reading here single person HHs could have 'buddies': UK single HH persons couldn't have buddies at that time. NZ more relaxed on this point.

NZ locked down in late March: same date as UK. So that's no different.

NZ seems like started with same exact rules about entries to the country having to quarantine, but then NZ became stricter than UK (hotels etc).

Rest of the rules seem close enough to identical between NZ & UK.

NZ & Aus started relaxing on 28 April -- earlier than UK started relaxing rules. By 27 April NZ claimed no community cases.

23 March NZ had 0 deaths & 102 total confirmed cases.
102 cases, population = 4.8 million, so scaling up, that's like when UK had (population 67 million) 1424 confirmed cumulative cases.

UK had 1395 confirmed cumul. cases on 16 March, and 251 deaths. Back to about 7 March to get to tiny number (n=1) of UK deaths with covid. Nobody outside China was entering Lockdown on 7 March.

I really don't think if UK had gone to lockdown a simple week earlier that would have made a huge difference to where we are now. We would not have reached zero cases end April. Maybe Lockdown in February except there's that difficult problem of land border & landbridge with another country....

MarshaBradyo · 12/02/2021 20:32

I don’t think we are non compliant on the whole.

A site like this won’t give a good indication.

Plus cases have fallen quickly in lockdown 1 and this one.

It’s been hard no doubt about it.

OverTheRubicon · 12/02/2021 20:38

@eaglejulesk

Well said *@TyrannyOfDistance*.

The first UK lockdown was not as strict as those in Australia/NZ - for those of you who think it was, remember we can read the posts on MN and from those alone it was obvious that it wasn't. We feel for those in the UK (and elsewhere), we really do, but while your government hasn't dealt with it well, neither have many of your citizens who seem to think the rules didn't apply to them. Why not vent at them, rather than the OP.

Do you truly believe that posts on MN say anything about the actual state of compliance? People just love curtain twitching on here, but the reality was something like 70% total compliance and 90% overall compliance (maybe went for 2 X 3/20 minute park walks occasionally instead of one longer trip, but fundamentally compliant). Of the remainder, many were non-compliant for non-fun reasons, like someone on a zero hour contract who was told to isolate but showed up to work anyway so they could afford their rent.

So yes, maybe the 5% of the population that are idiots or arses got to have more fun in lockdown than in Australia or Italy where it was more seriously policed. But for the rest of us, following the rules, it is immaterial whether you can't go far because of a fine or because of guidance, the end result is we were all stuck in.

Angrymum22 · 12/02/2021 20:44

It has been proved, by studying the genome of Covid-19, that there was no patient zero in the UK and that Covid entered the uk simultaneously through thousands of initial infections spread around the country. The strains that entered the country, and we have far more air hubs and ports than AS or NZ, predominantly originated in France, Italy and Spain. So we know exactly who to blame, the skiers and the elderly who spend January/February in Spain.
We have also seen a strong seasonal pattern with Covid, and as we were late winter when it hit we had a massive disadvantage compared to the Southern Hemisphere.

MRex · 12/02/2021 21:00

I don't believe anyone would be as thoughtless as to post on this largely UK site about having a couple of days at home. I work with Australians and they are all well aware and sympathetic that other countries have had on going restrictions throughout. The thread has clearly been set up purely to try to wind people up because someone's bored, so it's a shame so many have responded really.

AnotherBoredOne · 12/02/2021 21:31

@black how sad for your sil and family with this loss.

NightCzar · 12/02/2021 21:40

@Ilovemycat13 and @DobbyTheHouseElk I completely agree that the UK has had it worse. So much worse. But you can't deny that many people - I personally know many people - went on holiday to Europe last summer. And did eat out to help out.

I am on your side. Honest. I think Melbourne needs to get on with it. Even during their crazy lockdown they didn't have to live with the fear that they could catch it anywhere anytime. (Which is my perception of the UK).

eaglejulesk · 12/02/2021 21:47

@PicsInRed - I personally couldn't care less. As I mentioned in an earlier post, why would anyone in the UK bother to read a thread with Melbourne as part of the title if they were going to be offended (as many on MN are, about anything).

You might like to bear in mind that Australia suffered devastating bushfires last summer, and no doubt will again this summer, and NZ is waiting for "the big one" (earthquake) to happen at any time - I daresay that in those circumstances MNers won't stop writing threads about the most trivial things under the sun, and yet that is somehow different (because of course, the UK is "special"). Mind you, we would all be rather too preoccupied to read the posts, so certainly you are all welcome to witter away on TradeMe.

As has been pointed out (several times) Melbourne had a particularly brutal lockdown last year - if people can't understand the fear that it might happen again, well that says more about them than the OP.

This site is BASED in the UK - I don't believe there are rules stating that posters are only welcome from the UK. There are people from many parts of the world on here, and I imagine many of them regularly thank their lucky stars they don't live in the UK as many posters are hardly good examples of the type of people who live there, whether by choice or birth. I also imagine many of them don't post on here, for fear of being shot down in flames by said posters. There have been several rather nasty threads on here about Australia/USA/insert any other country but apparently that is okay.

eaglejulesk · 12/02/2021 21:48

@OverTheRubicon - whether or not people complied with the lockdown has no relevance on the strictness of the lockdown. Confused

DobbyTheHouseElk · 12/02/2021 21:49

NightCzar

I haven’t been on holiday in Europe, I don’t know anyone who has.

I didn’t eat out to help out.

I just want to hug my parents and see my friends. It’s been a year now. My children haven’t been to school for a year, apart from 3 months at the end of last year. Which wasn’t real school it was a socially distanced version.

No, I don’t think people in Australia have a clue how bad it’s been here. My own family in Australia don’t understand. I don’t know when if ever I will see them again.

TryingNotToPanicOverCovid · 12/02/2021 21:50

I think coming onto an Aussie s site and complaining about a shed fire while you have bush fires might be a comparion maybe? Not that the shed fire isn't real or a problem but like the ring thing above - appropiate audience!

eaglejulesk · 12/02/2021 21:52

the British are more self deprecating and self critical

No, the British are more superior and critical of other countries, as evidence by many threads on MN.

Wakeupalready · 12/02/2021 21:57

I completely get the irritation expressed by some UK posters here but there are a few shitty comments that are definitely going to put our backs up.
Like how we like to big note ourselves, and this whole competitive misery theme. And that we are ridiculous for slamming shut the state for 13 cases.
I get that we cannot compare ourselves to the disaster the UK is in. I really do, I have many UK friends , most in the NHS and hear from them often. I also think we should tone down our look at us with sports competitions, parties, Instagram happy happy shots. It's unfair. Plus fuck the sportspeople tossing our citizens off flights who are desperately trying to return. In no way, should the influx of celebrities and sports people have priority.We have failed our citizens badly and have no excuses for it.

But please try to understand that Melbournians are fragile. They experienced Australia's longest lockdown and were roundly abused for it by our Federal politicians and the Murdoch owned media, and it was relentless. They took a big hit for the whole country and got the shit kicked out them as a result.
We have locked down Victorian now because this is the Kent/ UK variant that is highly infectious and looks like requiring extended quarantine periods to 21 days as China, Hong Kong and Singapore have already realised and are implementing. We have also failed to acknowledge that the virus is airborne. This is another problem.
The previous lockdown Melbourne had was for the standard Covid , this variant is worse. Our quarantine facilities are smack bang in the centres of our major cities. An asymptomatic quarantine worker can go about their daily business in a heavily populated area, then we're all fucked if this is not caught in time.
Furthermore, the original outbreak in Melbourne hit in winter( and Melbourne is a notorious misery in winter here). The seasonality arguments re outbreaks I read here are wrong. We also has an outbreak in Sydney in summer. It makes little difference.

Quarantine is a Federal government responsibility hand balled to the states by our PM. He spent months spouting similar crap to Boris Johnson about opening up the economy and living with the virus which was fortunately overridden by our State Leaders.
Unlike the UK ( which I totally understand, given the mess your nation is in) we have zero vaccinations being given. I accept we should be low down on the list, as a high risk individual even I think this is fair. But even quarantine and frontline health workers have not been vaccinated. This leaves us with no alternative other than to lockdown cities and states so our test and trace system can get on top of it.

While the level of lockdowns are very similar, one difference I have noted that in the UK you may still have cleaners, tradespeople, gardeners and the like still attending your homes ( this may have changed now) but that was a key difference to us. Lawn mowing companies were even banned. Your key worker definitions seem quite different and your bastard government is not funding people to stay home to isolate.
Another point of difference has been the exceptionally limited number of symptoms you were originally encouraged to test for. This was out of sync with many countries globally. Our children were booted from school with runny noses/ gut upsets , sneezes etc months ago (still are) and could not return without negative Covid tests and zero symptoms. Mine have had three tests each , the whole family had to get tested each time, and our entire household had to isolate while waiting for the results- that does not seem the case in the UK.

We have been lucky. This is obvious. Slamming shut our borders was the single best decision our PM made, and suggestions are starting to be made to extend this to the UK / South Africa wholesale with no exceptions( again, fucking over our returning citizens).

Your government with its Eat Out to help out, opening for Christmas, limited testing criterion, it's complicated confusing messaging, its failure to sack and censure leaders breaking rules, its absolute failure to slam shut borders, and even now the ridiculous list of countries requiring compulsory quarantine doesn't include the USA ( ffs) is stupid. It should apply to every traveller incoming regardless and be much longer than 10 days. And using freight as an excuse for not doing this is a fallacious argument, this can be managed. The collision with Brexit a disastrous complication.

And lastly, from a regular reader of Mumsnet - there are constant multiple posts from people sharing how they are regularly breaching lockdown rules, holidaying overseas, planning holidays ( neglecting to understand that even vaccinated you can still spread the disease), advocating riots,and many of a similar theme. I recognise this is a small subset of the population but the repeated abuse for whatever a lockdown lover is, the use of the terms fear mongering, scare mongering to bully people is pretty poor, especially when the posters you abuse are usually logical, well informed people trying to make people understand the effect of their actions.

I wish you all the best. I hope your vaccination programme is effective and the hell you are all living in ends soon. And that you absolutely hammer the Tories when the next election arrives because it's their disgraceful leadership that has created this dumpster fire.

towers14 · 12/02/2021 22:02

Lockdown....zero cases, 1 case....lockdown...and repeat. It's a microscopic virus that can't be controlled

RosesforMama · 12/02/2021 22:03

"why would anyone in the UK bother to read a thread with Melbourne as part of the title if they were going to be offended (as many on MN are, about anything)."

Because the title just sounds newsy, Melbourne back in lockdown. You have to open and read the OP to discover that (at the time) she was asking for a handhold.

NightCzar · 12/02/2021 22:07

@DobbyTheHouseElk

NightCzar

I haven’t been on holiday in Europe, I don’t know anyone who has.

I didn’t eat out to help out.

I just want to hug my parents and see my friends. It’s been a year now. My children haven’t been to school for a year, apart from 3 months at the end of last year. Which wasn’t real school it was a socially distanced version.

No, I don’t think people in Australia have a clue how bad it’s been here. My own family in Australia don’t understand. I don’t know when if ever I will see them again.

I definitely don't have any real clue how bad it's been there in the UK. But my whole family is there, so I hear their stories. They didn't travel either, but you can't deny that people did, even if you personally didn't.

I feel low level guilt most of the time for my siblings at home with their pre-school children, compared to my life here. I'm just trying to explain that Melburnuans feel they have also had it quite bad. Relative to the rest of Australia, they have.

Here in Sydney, I think everyone knows how lucky they are compared to the UK. I haven't seen smugness here. Just gratitude to be here not there.

MarshaBradyo · 12/02/2021 22:09

why would anyone in the UK bother to read a thread with Melbourne as part of the title if they were going to be offended (as many on MN are, about anything)

Not offended. But some o/s are not correct about what it’s been like in U.K. so posters will respond.

LimitIsUp · 12/02/2021 22:16

British

self deprecation

is a thing

I didn't just make it up

LimitIsUp · 12/02/2021 22:27

Australian National pride

Versus

British National pride

Who knew this would be so contentious. I am not saying that one approach is good and the other bad, just that it is what it is, and these cultural characteristics partly explain some of the overly negative media reporting and exaggeration re non compliance in the UK 🤷‍♀️

Thedramasummer · 12/02/2021 22:29

@LimitIsUp

I think there is also a cultural misunderstanding. Australians like to big themselves up (Yay for you, nothing wrong with that), whereas the British are more self deprecating and self critical hence reports of a small minority of rule breakers are magnified and give a distorted picture of reality
Whilst areas of the uk are quite self depreciation, my experience is the opposite. I’ve found quite a bit of arrogance whilst living in England and there’s always the British exceptionalism that’s always said on here( even when it’s not happening)

In contrast I’ve not met maybe one or 2 Australians that like to big themselves up. Maybe it’s the area I’m living in but even when visiting other states I’ve not experienced it either.

Hardbackwriter · 12/02/2021 22:56

Mine have had three tests each , the whole family had to get tested each time, and our entire household had to isolate while waiting for the results- that does not seem the case in the UK.

My toddler has also been tested three times and yes, the whole household isolates while waiting for results.

Again, why are you trying to explain the situation and measures in place somewhere you do not live to people who do actually live there? It's incredibly arrogant.

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