SAGE say lockdown cycles could last several years

[IesuMariJoseff]

I can't believe I suddenly live in a world in which our human rights have become conditional based on hidden calculations around hospital capacity.

The first lockdown, I understood. The second, ok. Even now, I'll bare it. It's hard but the vaccines are being rolled out, it felt like the last leg.

Years? Fucking years?

@MaxNormal

I'd rather clap in my hands and shit than go on an overpriced, over-crowded and most likely rainy UK holiday.

Thread is well worth reading just for this gem

I’d rather gouge my spoons out with my eyes!

@PuzzledObserver

Let’s face it, human rights are a byproduct of stable and relatively affluent societies. There have been vast swathes of humanity who lived through warfare, natural disaster and plague with precious little in the way of human rights.

Up until now, we’ve been fortunate.

Yep we've had a good run, we might as well give up on human rights now and be grateful for what we had

@MaxNormal

Oh ffs, so raging I got that back to front. Shit in my own hands and clap. But yeah, anything really would be better than the dreary hell that is a UK holiday.

😂😂😂

I don't really buy into the prophets from hell. We will find a way to get around it. I have a great deal of faith in humanity and innovation. No one is going to live like this for several years, and if we do they need to improve netflix and takeaways

I think the true reason for lockdowns is not to protect individuals - it's to protect the NHS from collapsing under pressure

Sorry, but there's little point in them threatening the removal of something that folk know isn't available anyway - as so many who tried to access NHS last summer can confirm

That might have worked once, but except for emergency care (and good luck even with that), people are seeing through the NHS's sacred cow status now

@MaxNormal

Oh ffs, so raging I got that back to front. Shit in my own hands and clap. But yeah, anything really would be better than the dreary hell that is a UK holiday.

I’m crying! Hahaha!

Thank you. I needed that.

Oh and me too! I was forced on enough UK holidays as a kid...can’t bare them!

If lockdown carries on much past April i will almost certainly find myself in need of some weekend childcare and I’m sure that after their second dose my parents or in laws will be more than happy to come and visit us to form a childcare bubble.

@vaxmeup

Well they better... It will be impossible to eradicate this virus, so it will become another "flu" albeit more dangerous. Hopefully with successful vaccines covering most variants, increased ICU capacity, and maybe some therapeutics specific for Covid, things will go back to the way they were before. But yes, it could take a year or two to get there.

Clap hands and shit is the new snapped and farted.

Clap hands and shit. Sounds like something my toddler does

@Crakeandoryx

It's all a possibility until we get the populations immunity to covid virus better protected. Just keep in mind that the less the virus can circulate the less likelihood it has of serious mutations. The risk to the UK is foreign travel. Until the rest of the world is vaccinated we are at risk of foreign mutations coming to UK. The lesson is simple. Holiday at home, don't travel abroad and if you must quarantine on your return. Borders need to be restricted for the next few years to prevent further lockdown.

Spend your money in the UK! Get our economy off the floor and enjoy what we have here.

On what? Clothes made by slaves in Bangladesh?

people wont do it for years even if nothing open i will be visiting my family when we're all vaccinated

Regular lockdowns isn't necessarily a bad thing. Every time we lockdown we reduce the virus spreading which minimises mutations and makes our vaccines more effective which means we could live much more normal lives outside of lockdowns (which surely should be the main goal for everyone). Places like Australia and New Zealand are living normally but locking down in specific instances to bring levels back down to zero. Isn't that a good thing? Not sure why we seem to be one of the only countries in the world so keen to keep the virus circulating so that we can continue in an eternal limbo.

On the other side we never go abroad haven't even got a passport we love Jersey and the south west coast as well as Brighton and haven't had a cold soggy holiday yet. But I am a bit concerned the uk will be bunged up with those that usually go further afield and will only to glad if they can bugger off there asap @

Quite simply I’ll move out of the UK if they do this. It will be unfortunate for my family and the NHS (I am a clinical worker) but I couldn’t cope with much more of this. Thankfully both my husband and I have additional passports.

Also, I’d rather douse myself in petrol and light up a cigarette than holiday somewhere cold and rainy. I go to Egypt to snorkel, dive and enjoy the sun and heat. Can’t do that here in the UK.

@orishan

Regular lockdowns isn't necessarily a bad thing. Every time we lockdown we reduce the virus spreading which minimises mutations and makes our vaccines more effective which means we could live much more normal lives outside of lockdowns (which surely should be the main goal for everyone). Places like Australia and New Zealand are living normally but locking down in specific instances to bring levels back down to zero. Isn't that a good thing? Not sure why we seem to be one of the only countries in the world so keen to keep the virus circulating so that we can continue in an eternal limbo.

These days their ongoing lockdowns are 3 days not 3 months though.

@orishan

Regular lockdowns isn't necessarily a bad thing. Every time we lockdown we reduce the virus spreading which minimises mutations and makes our vaccines more effective which means we could live much more normal lives outside of lockdowns (which surely should be the main goal for everyone). Places like Australia and New Zealand are living normally but locking down in specific instances to bring levels back down to zero. Isn't that a good thing? Not sure why we seem to be one of the only countries in the world so keen to keep the virus circulating so that we can continue in an eternal limbo.

What do you mean? The number of countries which have established strict NZ type border controls is very small. And none of them are really comparable to the UK.

@orishan

Regular lockdowns isn't necessarily a bad thing. Every time we lockdown we reduce the virus spreading which minimises mutations and makes our vaccines more effective which means we could live much more normal lives outside of lockdowns (which surely should be the main goal for everyone). Places like Australia and New Zealand are living normally but locking down in specific instances to bring levels back down to zero. Isn't that a good thing? Not sure why we seem to be one of the only countries in the world so keen to keep the virus circulating so that we can continue in an eternal limbo.

Regular lockdowns are eternal limbo. Returning to temporary normality before being forced back into months of isolation, loneliness and sky rocketing unemployment. I can't stomach another summer like last as it'll all be tainted knowing soon it'll be taken away again. I simply will not let my family be taken away from me again, who knows how long we all have left? I choose to live, risks and all, then spend infinite years doing what I'm told.

@orishan

Regular lockdowns isn't necessarily a bad thing. Every time we lockdown we reduce the virus spreading which minimises mutations and makes our vaccines more effective which means we could live much more normal lives outside of lockdowns (which surely should be the main goal for everyone). Places like Australia and New Zealand are living normally but locking down in specific instances to bring levels back down to zero. Isn't that a good thing? Not sure why we seem to be one of the only countries in the world so keen to keep the virus circulating so that we can continue in an eternal limbo.

Aye, but when they aren't in lockdown they are living normally. We are going from lockdown to less shifty restrictions. It still felt suffocating to me last summer with all the social distancing measures in place.

And yes, regular lockdowns would be fucking miserable.

They built TB hospitals before the NHS and covid hospitals in China last year.

Why on earth aren’t we building those now???!!!

Regular lockdowns are eternal limbo. Returning to temporary normality before being forced back into months of isolation, loneliness and sky rocketing unemployment. I can't stomach another summer like last as it'll all be tainted knowing soon it'll be taken away again.

I agree with all that. Lots of people say 'Oh I'd be happy to have this summer like last summer' but for me last summer was shit. And how can the many businesses -whole industries - which are severely effected by lockdown survive with rolling lockdowns? Who's going to book a holiday if you don't know whether it will be cancelled? Who would sign up for a course if you think it might have to be online? Rolling lockdowns simply aren't sustainable.

But if we return to 'normality' the rates will sky rocket and enough people will die so that we are unnaturally forced into a more extensive lockdown situation. The whole goal (as has been demonstrated by many, many, many countries around the world) is to approach elimination (through aggressive lockdowns) whereby you can actually live a normal life. If you only have to eliminate a few dozen cases of covid then you only have to lockdown for a short period eg days or weeks....

The whole goal (as has been demonstrated by many, many, many countries around the world) is to approach elimination (through aggressive lockdowns) whereby you can actually live a normal life.

" many, many, many countries"?

Are you sure?

Could you name those European countries which have 'approached elimination' and where life is more or less normal?