Manchester variant

[littlebillie]

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-areas-residents-workers-should-19796809

@JS87 what about the other vaccines do they work better against SA variant or is that still work in progress / unknown yet?

Also why are places in europe not reporting these variants ? Some have high cases as well or is it just we are spotting them here more ?

@Unanananana

So JS87, thats a 'no' to proper evidence then? Just another poster making claims to scare people. And people wonder why the gullible and stupid turn to qAnon and that ilk.

Exactly my thoughts

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

Also why are places in europe not reporting these variants ? Some have high cases as well or is it just we are spotting them here more ?

My understanding is that the UK is (genuinely) world beating at the sequencing that identifies these variations. There midgut be some lurking undiscovered in other countries.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas because we are looking for them, it’s a simple case of look and you will find. We haven’t been concerned about them at all for the majority of last year when we had no vaccine so there is absolutely no need to be concerned now.

It’s the governments latest tac tic to make people comply for a bit longer as they don’t want to have to give into the pressure of opening up too soon. Cases, deaths and hospitalisations are dropping we can all see that from the data, the vaccine program is going to plan which I’m sure they didn’t expect so this is the next thing. When it becomes time to open up the sudden worry about variants will disappear.

@userxx

Who fucking cares.

Chips and gravy on the other hand......

Omg I had the best chips and gravy today, washed down with a bottle of vimto. Delicious 😋

And all of a sudden we have an immunologist trying to prove her point at all cost..

Chips and gravy
Mushy peas

@TheJerkStore I explained above that I don't have time to find all the links again for people. However, I have since added some links in posts above.
It really isn't hard for people to find the data for themselves. The results of studies by the vaccine companies are usually published on their website for starters. They have all been in the news in recent days too. I'm not sure why the gullible need to go and look at qAnon rather than the BBC or the guardian or any other mainstream newspaper. The newspaper articles usually provide the links to the studies/press releases from the companies.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

Also why are places in europe not reporting these variants ? Some have high cases as well or is it just we are spotting them here more ?

The UK has carried out nearly half of all SARS-CoV-2 genome sequences deposited to the global database, GISAID. A spokesperson for the COG-UK consortium said that since the beginning of the pandemic they had conducted genome sequencing on about 7% of positive test samples and this is increasing now as case numbers fall and capacity is increasing. This is the highest in Europe, apart from Denmark which announced they will soon test all positive covid-19 test swabs for the presence of variants. Globally, however, genomic surveillance of SARS-CoV-2 remains patchy. For example, the US sequences less than 1% of new samples and many countries, especially in Africa, have no sequencing data at all.

Is the UK sharing its capacity to carry out genomic testing?

On 26 January the UK government announced it was launching the New Variant Assessment Platform to offer genomics expertise to identify new variants of the virus to countries which do not have the resources to do so.4 This will be led by PHE working with academic partners and the World Health Organization’s SARS-CoV-2 Global laboratory working group.
www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n359

^My understanding is that the UK is (genuinely) world beating at the sequencing that identifies these variations. There midgut be some lurking undiscovered in other countries.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.^

That was my understanding as well but didn't know how true it was

@juggler82

It's mutated the same way, so it's not adding to the already existing problem. No need to call anyone a moron.

' Unfortunately' the fact it is mutating in the same way means exactly that it is adding to the existing problem

You misunderstand me - it would be potentially much more problematic if it was mutating in a different way. It is the same mutation as the SA variant so will be dealt with the same way, by the same vaccine alteration.

[quote JS87]@TheJerkStore I explained above that I don't have time to find all the links again for people. However, I have since added some links in posts above.
It really isn't hard for people to find the data for themselves. The results of studies by the vaccine companies are usually published on their website for starters. They have all been in the news in recent days too. I'm not sure why the gullible need to go and look at qAnon rather than the BBC or the guardian or any other mainstream newspaper. The newspaper articles usually provide the links to the studies/press releases from the companies.[/quote]
As university academic I'm perfectly capable of understanding where to go for reputable research.

The bbc or any MSM wouldn't be my first port of call tbh.

Great. However someone said that if links weren’t provided the gullible would go to qanon. I was simply pointing out there were other more reputable msm sites they could go to. Obviously peer reviewed journals would be best but I don’t think the point I was responding to wanted that. I also said that the MSM tended to provide the links to the actual research.

I simply said I was an immunologist in response to being asked if I was involved in vaccine research as I think I was being accused of having no clue what I was talking about and that of course the vaccines would be effective against the e484k mutation.

I think that a lot of people would agree the vaccines are probably less effective against this mutation. That isn’t the same as them being ineffective or not good enough. We shall have to wait and see which is what Matt Hancock said in HoC this afternoon.

This is Manchester. We do things differently here.

Ethelfromnumber73

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

"Actually I am an immunologist so I have read a lot of the data coming out and do understand it."

The fucking irony hmm

😂😂😂😂😂Watch out. Now you make it look like I am the prat that said that 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum that's EXACTLY what I meant. The poster saying they are an immunologist (whether they are or not) clearly has some scientific knowledge and is posting credible evidence and links. Whereas you are not and are then posting memes accusing other people of being armchair experts. Absolutely staggering.

[quote Ethelfromnumber73]@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum that's EXACTLY what I meant. The poster saying they are an immunologist (whether they are or not) clearly has some scientific knowledge and is posting credible evidence and links. Whereas you are not and are then posting memes accusing other people of being armchair experts. Absolutely staggering. [/quote]
You are very easily fooled then. I haven't seen much evidence of the posters amazing insight. If I did I would answer properly. The number of NHS staff, scientists and experts that declare their qualifications or job half way through a thread is iffy to say the least.

The poster is not a that far off with their evaluation of the evidence. However not totally accurate and definitely no expert. Just someone that has is slightly changing their tune because people have picked up on that.

Most of us have careers, qualifications or expertise in different areas. We don't announce that on a thread though and not because we are losing an argument.

After yesterday and all the rubbish media/threads people don't need new ones about nothing much. This story could easily have been added to an old thread from yesterday

[quote Ethelfromnumber73]@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum that's EXACTLY what I meant. The poster saying they are an immunologist (whether they are or not) clearly has some scientific knowledge and is posting credible evidence and links. Whereas you are not and are then posting memes accusing other people of being armchair experts. Absolutely staggering. [/quote]
Sorry I forgot. Look at the cute kitten. It doesn't have an agenda or a doom making bone in its body. Much more satisfying. Something more solid more real to support.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum as I said I said it as I was asked if I worked in vaccine research. Of course I shouldn’t have.
However I stand by my original statement. The vaccines probably are less effective against SA variant. However the definition of less effective is up for discussion. I’m out though.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum as it happens, I have a similar background to that stated by @JS87. It's clear to me from what they are saying that they have a better than average understanding of how this is playing out. Unfortunately that probably means that they will be saying things you don't want to hear or 'scaremongering' to use your words. Keep posting the kittens though.

👍😂😂😂😂😂😂

Perfect

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

^My understanding is that the UK is (genuinely) world beating at the sequencing that identifies these variations. There midgut be some lurking undiscovered in other countries.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.^

That was my understanding as well but didn't know how true it was

Also my understanding.

Ooo chips and gravy is very nice, but I'm not from Manchester. I'm from the better side of the Pennines