Is anyone actually going to follow the rules from spring?

[Cloudsurfing]

It will have been a year since being allowed to properly see friends and family. Even in summer last year you still had to social distance so seeing family was difficult, and some areas had tighter restrictions throughout. Everyone I know is going to see family and friends from spring, regardless of what restrictions there are. I am too. The government do know that most people won’t stick to it from then, right?

Is anyone on here actually going to not see family at that point? I know Mumsnet seems to be full of people who are happy to isolate for years if need be, but are you actually going to?

Thanks Caplin although doesn't the fact people with covid visit supermarkets increase the spread to other shoppers?

Selfish bastards, staying at home.

"NHS Test and Trace figures reportedly show nearly three-quarters of people are becoming infected at home, compared to 5% in pubs, restaurants and churches combined." www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/coronavirus-infections-homes-not-pubs-19127837

@beaniecats you can't make a statement like that then have no backup , none of this is in the goverments interest, they have no reason to want to kill a economy , the only reasons they have measures are because they are needed.
Yes I am fed up and of these rules exsisted for loads longer then I would be questioning how much longer I could live like this but I don't believe we will be under these same restrictions in 2 months, some restrictions maybe but not lockdown like this.

[quote itwaseverthus]Selfish bastards, staying at home.

"NHS Test and Trace figures reportedly show nearly three-quarters of people are becoming infected at home, compared to 5% in pubs, restaurants and churches combined." www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/coronavirus-infections-homes-not-pubs-19127837[/quote]
Well yeah - if they're letting people into their home who don't live there, or if people they live with are breaking rules, or are in a high-risk job. They're catching it from people, not the four walls around them!

@Caplin but there has beeb cases in supermarkets you cannot deny that and plenty of people on here who have caught it , yet only been to a supermarket , so it's not risk free , but obviously we all need to eat so it must be done

@itwaseverthus that isn’t backed up by facts. Supermarkets have far more mitigation in place, restricted numbers, sanitising, face covering, distancing, microbial handles on trolleys, baskets and touch points, screens at checkouts.

Footfall is down about 25% in store on the same time last year as people reduce number of visits and shop online.

If they were so contagious there would be bigger outbreaks among staff, but staff are catching it in the community, rarely at work.

@Megan2018

I'll continue to follow the rules, as will everyone I know. Fortunately I don't seem to associate with any over dramatic idiots.

It's a tiny amount of time in a lifetime, I do think people are being ridiculous about it. It's really not that huge a sacrifice for just a couple of years.

I don't even know where to start with this.... I've been banned from travelling to see my parents for most of the last year. We're in the same country but in Scotland i'm not supposed to be crossing local authority boundaries. We had a very short window last August where I was allowed in the house. At the moment, driving 90 minutes to stand in the snow in the garden and not being allowed in to use the loo isn't an attractive prospect.

Dad probably has dementia. I say probably because no bugger will actually SEE him and DIAGNOSE him, they just keep prescribing over the phone and aren't interested. He's becoming increasingly more confused and irrational and the decline is being accelerated by the fact that there is no support or therapy on offer.

So yes, it really is "that huge a sacrifice" because there's every chance that by the time we're allowed to see them again, he might not know who I fucking am.

Does that make me a "dramatic idiot"?

@Caplin fo you cover every supermarket everywhere as I know someone who works in a supermarket and they had a large amount if staff off with it ?

Well yeah - if they're letting people into their home who don't live there, or if people they live with are breaking rules, or are in a high-risk job. They're catching it from people, not the four walls around them!

Or just maybe some if us have to still go out to work or have children in school , or have been to the supermarket

[quote itwaseverthus]Yep, selfish bastards going to supermarkets to buy life sustaining food.

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-supermarkets-most-common-exposure-setting-for-catching-coronavirus-in-england-latest-data-shows-12136418[/quote]
Yes, but because it is currently the only place people are going other than work.

If you started in home mixing, the rankings would change rapidly.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas of course there are cases, but no more than in the general population. It is rare that there are mass outbreaks. Where there are mass outbreaks people are house sharing, car sharing, mixing outside work.

Oh, I have now read it and following post - sorry I see it was a.bit.more complicated than that anyway!

@Caplin lots of the supermarkets here stopped the limiting of numbers and there id always some walking around without a mask, plus sd isn't followed by all and not everyone is even using the sanitiser and trolley clean now , some supermarkets are better than others.
Personally I avoid them as much as possible as they don't feel that safe to me , I actually felt safer in a restaurant when they were open

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@Caplin fo you cover every supermarket everywhere as I know someone who works in a supermarket and they had a large amount if staff off with it ? [/quote]
I sit in weekly government briefings with all the major supermarkets. Absence is around 4%, so in general people are not seeing big outbreaks. There are a few stores in each chain which have an issue, but not widespread.

A few being asked to self-isolate as they changed sensitivity of the app, but not getting COVID.

Actually all supermarkets limit numbers. They count electronically, you just can’t see it. Most allow for distancing of around 3m

It's a tiny amount of time in a lifetime

Depends on how old you are. The older you are, the bigger the proportion of your expected lifespan it is.

Argh raspberry that's awful. I'm sorry. Horrible disease.

Well yeah - if they're letting people into their home who don't live there, or if people they live with are breaking rules, or are in a high-risk job. They're catching it from people, not the four walls around them!

That doesn't seem to be what they're saying. Asymptomatic transmission is far lower than symptomatic and prolonged household contact of a symptomatic person is key. I hate to quote Professor Pantsdown but needs must. " Professor Neil Ferguson, report author from Imperial College London added: “This analysis provides some of the first evidence that asymptomatic infections are substantially less infectious than symptomatic cases. It also reinforces growing evidence of the importance of household transmission, especially in the context where symptomatic cases are not isolated outside the home.” www.imperial.ac.uk/news/209673/covid-19-spread-different-social-settings-imperial/

Love it when someone like @Caplin pops up with detailed knowledge to put all the random baseless/anecdotal claims into proper context. Good work.

Unfortunately I can’t see my dad because he’s in a care home. God know when I can. It’s unlikely he’ll recognise me then because his dementia has accelerated during the last year. But you crack on with your tea party.

I don’t know. I’m slowly reaching the end of my tether. I don’t buy into the ‘it’s only a year’ bullshit. Every year is precious.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas I think the people who say they've only been to the supermarket are dismissing other minor events which aren't risk free and also completely forgetting about the risk in their own environments eg common areas in a block of flats - I know a few people who got it that way, one where the ventilation system in the building could have been involved (that one was in NYC)

@Ihatefish

Unfortunately I can’t see my dad because he’s in a care home. God know when I can. It’s unlikely he’ll recognise me then because his dementia has accelerated during the last year. But you crack on with your tea party.

really sorry @Ihatefish, that's really awful for you and your dad.

Absolutely I will stick to the rules until they have changed and we can mix with family again. We'll never get out of this mess if people won't stick to them. It'll just prolong it and for those of us who are sticking to the rules it's a little unfair. We all desperately want to see family/friends but I will stick to them

Yes, I will continue to follow rules for now. I think the price paid is worth the reward it seems we’ll get. For now. But at some point, and even if things don’t massively improve as we hope, this has to end as it is not reasonable to expect a population to live half-lives for years. What is reasonable to put up with for a brief period as an emergency measure may not be reasonable for a year. What is reasonable to put up with in the face of a virus like Ebola may not be reasonable for COVID.

There seems to be no perspective from some posters.

If you agree that keeping people from living a normal life cannot be sustained indefinitely and over years, then it becomes a question of when, not if, those restrictions are lifted.

That’s why mocking people who say enough is enough by saying the virus is still out their regardless of how happy they are about it is ridiculous. Quite clearly enough must be enough at some point. Yes, even if there are still deaths and grieving.

Also agree that minimising how people feel in lockdown is actually very cruel.