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SAGE are sooo depressing

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RosieLemonade · 02/02/2021 09:46

They would love lockdown to last forever I am sure. Every glimmer of hope they dash.

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RosieLemonade · 02/02/2021 13:03

SAGE love lockdown. SAGE are very doom and gloom. MN adore lockdown Grin

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justwanttoknow21 · 02/02/2021 13:04

@RosieLemonade GrinWink

ElectraBlue · 02/02/2021 13:18

Sage are only one voice.

The human race will not stay in lockdown for much longer.

If this thing continues to mutate the only thing governments can do is vaccine everyone to give some protection every year and try to keep up with the variants but also in the end we will have to accept that many people will die of it.

The human has survived through many pandemics, millions died of the plague and so on.

The problem is we have tried to pretend that lockdowns would solve things and achieve zero Covid or that this strategy was sustainable. It was never going to work.

The scientists give advice but in the end the politicians have to balance everything and make decisions.

This is virus that in the end has a 90+ survival rate. That is the reality.

The outcome won't be lockdown for five years or the rest of our lives. It will be survival of the fittest, while the young will probably slowly become immune to it over the years.

and that is an outcome that the lockdown lovers in this thread who seem to think they are the ones who are 'facing reality' seem unable to process...

I truly hope it does not come to that but if you want to have your eye truly open that is the ultimate scenario, not Sage endless lockdown utopia.

borntobequiet · 02/02/2021 13:22

I’m sure the lockdown will be over by the time you turn 15. It’s not forever, and SAGE are not your parents.

Spiratedaway · 02/02/2021 13:34

Jesus some people are mean and horrid on here ... I totally get what you are saying ignore the assole comments on here

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 02/02/2021 13:35

This is virus that in the end has a 90+ survival rate. That is the reality

And what government would like to be responsible for this? Letting it run riot?

And immunity lasts 5 months. You can just catch another strain.

Spiratedaway · 02/02/2021 13:36

@turnitonagain thanks for putting this into perspective

Globe22 · 02/02/2021 14:51

I doubt we will be in lockdown for an awful lot longer, that's what I'm focusing on. I expect some element of social distancing will be there but pubs will open back to rules of 6??, book shops, cinemas will open up. As soon as it opens up I'm in there and so will the majority of us!

IcedPurple · 02/02/2021 14:54

@Globe22

I doubt we will be in lockdown for an awful lot longer, that's what I'm focusing on. I expect some element of social distancing will be there but pubs will open back to rules of 6??, book shops, cinemas will open up. As soon as it opens up I'm in there and so will the majority of us!
Cinemas, pubs and the like really aren't viable with social distancing though. They need full houses at least some of the time in order to survive.
inquietant · 02/02/2021 15:42

@GCAcademic

If you can't cope with reality, that's your issue.

You don't get to demand that everyone else denies it to keep you happy.

Agree with this.

I'm tired of having to pretend that we can magic problems away just because other people can't handle the situation.

Johnson wants to be compared to Churchill - don't recall Churchill being a fairytale believer, he was pretty heavy and serious.

PurpleDaisies · 02/02/2021 15:44

Damn those scientists and their scientists and their bloody expertise, and evidence.

inquietant · 02/02/2021 15:46

@MadameBlobby

I find SAGE ridiculous. Sitting pretty in secure jobs having had the benefit of full educations and now seeking to keep measures going indefinitely that will prevent the majority of society enjoying the privileges they do.
Yes quite, we should swap our scientific experts for some people on zero hours contracts, that will hopefully help get us out of this mess Hmm

Very high achieving experts tend to get good jobs, is this really news to you?

Madhairday · 02/02/2021 15:48

So to say SAGE are depressing is much like saying the MetOffice weather forecasts are depressing when they say we'll have rain all week.

Yes! Those awful depressing weather forecasters, they just love rain so much they want it to go on forever and don't care that most of us like sunshine.

unmarkedbythat · 02/02/2021 15:51

@Spiratedaway

Jesus some people are mean and horrid on here ... I totally get what you are saying ignore the assole comments on here
Yes, yes more great advice. Ignore anything you don't like. What does it matter if it's true, as long as it doesn't fit in with what you want to believe the best thing to do is just ignore it.

Fucking asinine.

peewitsandy · 02/02/2021 15:54

I think Chris Whitty is the most boring man in the world, who has never ever said anything positive in his life !

A drone of a man who must not any life away from 'SAGE' .

SAGE and the worse independent SAGE are like a bunch of bullshit football coaches. They think there are telling the public the gospel when 70% of what they say is either bullshit or incompatible with the reality of living. Especially on a island that is overpopulated by at least two times.

unmarkedbythat · 02/02/2021 15:55

Also, I hate lockdown. DH lost his job. My mum and dad have locked themselves away for a year now and I think my mum is really quite unwell wrt her mental health. My job has continued as normal only nothing is normal and everything is a hundred times harder. My colleagues in community social work are frantic with terror knowing there have been so many appalling cases of abuse and neglect missed whilst everything is paused. On and on and on. Lockdown hasn't benefitted me and has been exhausting and scary and financially fucking dreadful. I still don't think a "bad, mean, nasty SAGE, loving lockdown, just want to extend it forever and say horrid things to bring me down" approach is a good one.

Ethelfromnumber73 · 02/02/2021 15:59

@unmarkedbythat you have perfectly articulated the frustration behind my earlier post.

inquietant · 02/02/2021 16:03

@peewitsandy

I think Chris Whitty is the most boring man in the world, who has never ever said anything positive in his life !

A drone of a man who must not any life away from 'SAGE' .

SAGE and the worse independent SAGE are like a bunch of bullshit football coaches. They think there are telling the public the gospel when 70% of what they say is either bullshit or incompatible with the reality of living. Especially on a island that is overpopulated by at least two times.

I'm sorry but this is a bit silly.

Do you really need to be entertained by the chief medical officer?

Of course he has little life away from SAGE, he'll be working every hour. He hasn't got bloody time to take up a new hobby just now or go for spa day.

herecomesthsun · 02/02/2021 16:07

truth-telling killjoys- where's fake news when you want it?

unmarkedbythat · 02/02/2021 16:18

[quote Ethelfromnumber73]@unmarkedbythat you have perfectly articulated the frustration behind my earlier post. [/quote]
I feel like there is a chunk of the population who just exist in permanent toddler mode. Which, ok, if it works for them, fine, but they really need to stop complaining that the rest of us don't share their desire to only be told happy, nice things and insisting that anyone who tells them less nice truths is just being nasty for the sake of it.

UserEleventyNine · 02/02/2021 16:22

Another reality that we need to get to grips with is that there is more international travel than during previous pandemics which will make containment harder than ever.

Although, as it happened, there was quite a bit of international travel at the time of the Spanish flu outbreak, because of troop movements. One theory is that it started in the US early in 1918 and was taken to Europe by US soldiers going to the Western Front. Then at the end of the war it was spread further around the world by troops returning home.

borntobequiet · 02/02/2021 16:29

I think Chris Whitty is the most boring man in the world, who has never ever said anything positive in his life

Exactly the qualities that get you to the position of Chief Medical Officer for England, the UK government's Chief Medical Adviser and head of the public health profession.

Who knew that being boring and negative would reap such rewards.

PuppyMonkey · 02/02/2021 16:39

Yes I think SAGE should focus more on telling jokes and cheering us up. could they do Gogglebox or Pointless maybe? Or.. Would I Lie to You? Grin

BonnieDundee · 02/02/2021 20:27

Their advice is based on the science. Suck it up buttercup.

Why the rudeness? If you spoke to people like that in real life you'd get a smack.

I thought that was a really shitty thing to say too, probably said by someone who thinks it makes them look clever

MedSchoolRat · 02/02/2021 21:32

I know a few SAGErs - had meals with them, and even some craic. It's an awfully long list of people.

Am pretty sure they find Lockdown as oppressive as rest of us.
They have their own children missing school & find every day groundhog day stressful, too.
The SAGE members don't really think with one voice, they debate among selves a lot, too.
They feel responsible for recommending the safest thing.
Academics are inherently cautious. So they will embrace 'safety' first, is extent of the groupthink.
Advisory Committees of entrepeneurs would be a different mindset.

I wonder who the 8 attenders are who didn't want to be named, I've got at least one hunch...