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What do you think will happen after group 9 have been vaccinated?

102 replies

staceybeaker · 01/02/2021 20:47

As in, who do you think will be next (sorry if this has been asked before)
ie by jobs or in age order or what

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Mousehole10 · 01/02/2021 20:51

I think it will be key workers who are public facing, followed by working down the age groups.

Hmmph · 01/02/2021 20:56

I think it should be police, fire, prison officers, teachers and social workers next (and any other jobs like that). Then continue age order. Anything else (retail workers, BAME, deprivation etc) gets too complicated.

CeeJay81 · 01/02/2021 21:03

Although I def agree that certain jobs should be prioritized, how will people prove their job when they book a test?

Chailatteplease · 01/02/2021 21:05

@CeeJay81 I had to take my work badge with me to prove I work on healthcare, even though my employer arranged for the test. Seems pretty thorough.

staceybeaker · 01/02/2021 21:08

CeeJay81 yes I could see that being a potential problem with say retail workers.
That sounds like a sensible order Hmmph particularly Police as they have to be in such close contact and get spat on and things

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nordica · 01/02/2021 21:13

I understand why it makes sense to prioritise key workers but equally worry it will just slow the process down a lot. And where do they draw the line? What if you work for Tesco but in the office, not customer facing? Or conversely, what if you work for a small independent shop in a customer facing role but it's not a huge corporation or anything you can prove as such?

MrGruWeLoveYou · 01/02/2021 21:18

Social workers were group 2... so were a lot of other public sector roles

StepOutOfToxicity · 01/02/2021 21:28

I expect age. I very much hope they do 45-50 first as this is not much different to 50-55 and very much in the high-risk range. Then 40-45.

After that I think by jobs might be possible, after all it would not be appropriate for someone in their 20s to be vaccinated before someone who is 48 simply because of their job.

The only way to do teachers is to actually do them in the school where they work.

The abuse of the health/social care staff vaccinations whereby they forwarded booking emails to friends and family cannot happen again.

Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady · 01/02/2021 21:29

I think group 10 needs to be age 45 to 50.

The risk starts to rise at 45 so they need doing.

After that prioritise key workers by age.

So a 40 year old policeman should get it before a 20 year old policeman.

I don't know how that would work logistically and to be honest the key worker list is so long now it may be quicker/easier to just do it by age

Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady · 01/02/2021 21:30

Cross post...great minds though!

FudgeSundae · 01/02/2021 21:31

Age. Anything else is too complicated. Everyone will have a reason they need to be first. The admin to come up with the perfect order will waste time.
(However, I CAN see some workforces esp public sector doing their own vaccinations, ahead of the normal NHS schedule.)

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 01/02/2021 21:36

First I thought keyworker but now I am not sure

The category keyworker is too big. If the break it down to school staff, police, fire service etc. What about the ones that have worked throughout but aren't on that list. Bit of a kick in the teeth.

I think they may stick to age groups. There are a lot of 40s ending up in hospital. Not as many as the 50s and over. However if it is about hospital beds then they are the next to do.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 01/02/2021 21:38

What is with all the risks rising over 45 business. I am over 45. Don't need to hear that (fingers in eats, runs away)

BareGrylls · 01/02/2021 21:42

Saw one of the public health people saying there wasn't much of a case for working down by age after the 50+ were fone so it would be a political decision.

I do agree that public facing workers should be next after group 9. Delivery drivers, police, teachers etc.

Really though lets just crack on and get everyone done asap.

MTBer2021 · 01/02/2021 21:49

Some other countries have put age 40+ in their initial priority categories due to risk. I hope we continue with the age categories down to age 40 and then do priority occupations below that age.

XenoBitch · 01/02/2021 21:57

I don't know. I hope the rollout will be stopped (as the burden on the NHS will be less) but anyone can still rock up to their GP and get the jab if they want.
Although I do realise that still a huge amount of people will want it so it might need to be prioritised again.

PrincessNutNuts · 01/02/2021 21:57

I think if it's about who is at risk of getting really ill and/or dying they should stick to age

Over 45s, then Over 40s etc.

Key workers can have more exposure, but if they're young and healthy they're in less danger of becoming seriously ill with covid than a 48 year old anything.

huggzy · 01/02/2021 21:57

What if you work for Tesco but in the office, not customer facing?

From what I can gather, people working for elderly care services but in an admin capacity for example, have been able to get vaccines at the same time as those actually physically working with the elderly... so Tesco should be the same I assume?

Hmmph · 01/02/2021 22:03

They cannot include any retail workers, delivery drivers, tradespersons, factory workers etc as a priority (so no “key worker”) vaccinations as the group isn’t clear, isn’t necessary and is open to queue jumping.

Teachers, police, prison warders and firefighters are distinct clear groups. They are the only ones who should be prioritised and are easy to target.

After that, the fairest way is age. What else? Lottery? Alphabetical order?

CeeceeBloomingdale · 01/02/2021 22:09

I think they will stick with age with some specific employers arranging vaccines for their staff. NHS clerical staff are being vaccinated at the moment, even if not public facing. Also council workers locally have had a day where loads of them received vaccines.

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 01/02/2021 22:29

@CeeceeBloomingdale

I think they will stick with age with some specific employers arranging vaccines for their staff. NHS clerical staff are being vaccinated at the moment, even if not public facing. Also council workers locally have had a day where loads of them received vaccines.
No employer can arrange for their staff to be vaccinated unless it’s approved by PHE who provide the vaccines.
TheAnswerIsCake · 01/02/2021 22:32

It is a logistical nightmare to do it by anything other than age (as has already been proven with the “healthcare”) category.

The system to ensure that everyone (who wants to be) gets vaccinated and everyone only gets their two doses (no trying to get different brands) is tied to NHS numbers. Age is also tied to NHS number, along with sufficient medical information to categories people by clinical vulnerability. Occupation is not listed against NHS number. This means that if occupation based categories are opened, it will be very difficult to work out who is eligible to book. There will be no way of restricting the booking system on occupation grounds that would not require significant changes in the set up.

The nature of Covid, and need for social distancing, means that you can’t have, say, a”teachers day” at a mass vaccination centre and allow all teachers to simply turn up. There needs to be a way to control who turns up when. What would happen if open booking was allowed is that people would book who aren’t in that category - either because they really want the vaccine, or they don’t understand the system or anything in between. The process of proving eligibility etc will simply slow things down.

I really think - as deserving as frontline police, teachers etc are - it is likely to be faster (particularly with how well we are doing with it) and more effective in the long term to simply keep firing through in age order. The time and resources required to do anything else will have such marginal gains in improving the efficacy of the vaccination programme, that I suspect it simply won’t be worthwhile to organise.

Of course this opinion may not be popular. But public health is about whole populations, not individual people. We need to look at the best overall strategy for the population, not individuals within it.

PuzzledObserver · 01/02/2021 22:35

The “rest of the adult population” group is about 30 million people, and is likely to contain more refuseniks than groups 1-9. Take up might be 70-75%, so 21-23 million.

If supply permits, we can vaccinate 4 million a week - and by that stage, we should have plenty of vaccine doses available. So we could be through that group in 6 weeks (for the first dose). So is it really worth spending loads of effort and energy doing anything other than in order of age?

AllAroundTheWrekin · 01/02/2021 22:38

It should be public facing roles such as shop workers, police, teachers etc.

Actually I think they should be before me. Young retired. I can shelter. They can't.

JengaJanga · 01/02/2021 22:39

Hopefully critical keyworkers then other keyworkers

There is ‘talk’ that other countries want our jabs after group 9 is complete !