What do you think will happen after group 9 have been vaccinated?

[staceybeaker]

As in, who do you think will be next (sorry if this has been asked before)
ie by jobs or in age order or what

I think over 45s and teachers as next group . Do teachers in school so it can be done very quickly, maybe over the easter hols ideally, and over 45s to the hubs etc.

then down the age groups

It's good to be prepared.

I have a friend who makes luxury chocolate and she has been told by her doctor that as she is a keyworker, she will be vaccinated in the next group (group 5) and so will teachers etc. She's provided letters to her staff to give to their doctors to confirm they are keyworkers. I cant find any info about it online but has anyone heard similar? (So in theory, teachers and all keyworkers, retails etc would all be vaccinated next and prior to those with Underlying Health Conditions).

Well my work says I'm a key worker, but I'm really not !

They won't do key workers. It will be much more specific .

@SuperCaliFragalistic

The roll out will slow right down when they start giving second doses in the numbers in which they have given first doses so it won't all be at the speed it's been going at so far. I think once they get all of the first 4 groups done they should do them all again before they move on to anyone else. There's a real risk of people being left very vulnerable by only having one dose.

Your last sentence isn't true.

I suggest you read up on the vaccines before posting stuff about the vaccination program that isn't true.

I agree with public-facing key workers, but hope they include those giving the vaccines if they're not already vaccinated

@RedMarauder How do you see it working then?

When will groups 5-9 be given their first jab?

When will groups 1-4 be given their second jab?

@Jemma2907

I have a friend who makes luxury chocolate and she has been told by her doctor that as she is a keyworker, she will be vaccinated in the next group (group 5) and so will teachers etc. She's provided letters to her staff to give to their doctors to confirm they are keyworkers. I cant find any info about it online but has anyone heard similar? (So in theory, teachers and all keyworkers, retails etc would all be vaccinated next and prior to those with Underlying Health Conditions).

The 9 JCVI vulnerable groups comprise 32 million people and Group 5 is the Over 65s.

@EmmanuelleMakro

I am a teacher and today the LA sent out smart-survey form to schools for teachers to register interest in priority vaccination so that, in the event the gvt offers it, they already have the list of opt-ins to hit the ground running.

This sounds exciting! Do you have any idea how to find out more? We haven't received anything. Thank you

@Covidwedding123

I wonder why they haven’t considered doing those who suffer from obesity as a group? since it’s such a significant risk factor for severe disease.

The JCVI don't seem to think it is.

Otherwise obese people would be higher up the priority list.

As it is, there are 18-27 million people who are considered higher risk depending on when obese people are called within their group 6. Out of 32 million vulnerable people in the 9 priority groups.

@Jemma2907

I have a friend who makes luxury chocolate and she has been told by her doctor that as she is a keyworker, she will be vaccinated in the next group (group 5) and so will teachers etc. She's provided letters to her staff to give to their doctors to confirm they are keyworkers. I cant find any info about it online but has anyone heard similar? (So in theory, teachers and all keyworkers, retails etc would all be vaccinated next and prior to those with Underlying Health Conditions).

This sounds highly unlikely and I'm quite surprised her doctor said that (if true) - teachers/police/customer facing retail staff/transport workers may get priority in Phase 2 after groups 1-9 have been vaccinated but certainly not before then. If keyworkers get any priority it will be people in that type of role- I am a keyworker according to the govt definition but I haven't been into the office since last March and don't think I should be given priority for a vaccine!

@PrincessNutNuts my issue with SuperCaliFragalistic is that the poster's last sentence about how the vaccines work isn't true, particularly the AZ vaccine.

In regards to your post the NHS are increasing capacity all the time, plus booking people in who have had their first jab for their second one 12 weeks later. This means that while groups 1-4 are having their second jab, groups 5-9 will be getting their first jab. This will slow down the figures of the number of new people that are being vaccinated.

In fact the issue is not the resources e.g. people, locations to vaccinate people but vaccine supply.

The policy will continued to be governed by who is in hospital taking up beds, and then probably which age groups/occupations are demanding NHS services for conditions caused by Long Covid.

Oh I know, she just seemed so certain of it and she really isn't the type to lie. We don't have the same doctor so I cant even call to ask. Not that it affects me anyway but just wondered if anyone else had heard similar. I have friends who are teachers and they haven't heard anything of the sort. She told me to get them to ring their doctor though. Could it be at the doctors discretion perhaps? I don't know how it all works.

@Jemma2907 GPs do have discretion on who they add to the vaccine groups but it is unlikely they would just add your friend because she was a key worker. They would add her if she had an underlying condition but she would be in group 6.

@tootyfruitypickle

I think over 45s and teachers as next group . Do teachers in school so it can be done very quickly, maybe over the easter hols ideally, and over 45s to the hubs etc.

then down the age groups

I think the police should either be included or preferably before those groups.

Sorry, that was meant say 'I agree but think the police should be included'

Work on giving the 70+ their second dose

[quote RedMarauder]**@PrincessNutNuts* my issue with SuperCaliFragalistic* is that the poster's last sentence about how the vaccines work isn't true, particularly the AZ vaccine.

In regards to your post the NHS are increasing capacity all the time, plus booking people in who have had their first jab for their second one 12 weeks later. This means that while groups 1-4 are having their second jab, groups 5-9 will be getting their first jab. This will slow down the figures of the number of new people that are being vaccinated.

In fact the issue is not the resources e.g. people, locations to vaccinate people but vaccine supply.

The policy will continued to be governed by who is in hospital taking up beds, and then probably which age groups/occupations are demanding NHS services for conditions caused by Long Covid.[/quote]
Oh sorry I misunderstood a wee bit then.

I didn't think we knew if it was safe to wait 12 weeks? Isn't it a bit experimental? And nobody else in the world is doing it? Or has done it?

And on a vaccine supply level I'm not seeing how we can give 15 million people a second dose at the same time as giving 15 million people a first dose -even with Moderna coming into the mix in April.

Dominic Raab and Boris Johnson have both been asked how, and both fudged. That doesn't reassure me.

In an ideal world parents of school / nursery age children should be given a degree of priority over say an office worker with no kids. We are taking our children to and from giant communal germ factories every day so we get just as much exposure as some front line workers.
In reality its not practical to divide people down by a lot of different categories so I expect it will be key workers and then working down the age groups.

Agree with this. A lot more children will end up bereaved or with a disabled parent if they don't get around to doing the 40-50 age group relatively soon and open schools with no safety measures.

@CoronaIsWatching

Work on giving the 70+ their second dose

That would be nice wouldn't it?

If it takes from early December to mid-Feb to give group 1-4 their first dose then I wonder how long dishing out the second doses will take?

Mid-Feb to Mid-April?

Unless they continue dishing out first doses like lunatics and ignoring the second doses.

Has the Daily Mail done a front page saying

"British scientist funded by U.K. government says one dose is all you need!"

yet?

@sherrystrull
We were just sent a link today to a smart survey where you put in your name email (used school one) and phone number. They stressed that there is no definite plan they just want to have the contact details if the gvt offer it.
Interestingly they also gave a selection of nearby locations for you to select from and then the nanes of two specific hospitals. I later saw on the news that one of these (St George’s Tooting) has a high rate of ‘no-shows’ for vaccines, so I wonder if we might be called to offer one last minute if a no/show means that a vaccine would otherwise be wasted.

My husband is having his next week. He takes immunosuppressant drugs, so although he is not in the officially vulnerable category he is more at risk.

So I guess people like him are the current/ next group.

@Annamaywong25

Shop worker here, seem to spend most of my shift walking backwards as customers try to get right up to my face to ask me something. Actually overheard a customer say yesterday "I don't know why I've come in here, there's nothing I want to buy" fgs! Had to bite my tongue. How I haven't caught it is a miracle..... saying that I am group 7 so really hoping to get vaccinated before it gets me. Lots of my younger colleagues have caught it already

I work in public transport. I've become well practiced at walking backwards too.

Taxi drivers and factory workers are apparently the occupations at the most risk after from healthcare workers (who already have a group). How on earth would one organise that? You could probably provide slots directly to the major supermarkets and other massive employers of critical workers but the definition of "key worker" has expanded massively lately to include all manner of occupations who can perfectly well work from home.

Easier to continue down the ages. We're vaccinating three million people a week in the UK so actually it won't be long before everyone is done.

[quote EmmanuelleMakro]@sherrystrull
We were just sent a link today to a smart survey where you put in your name email (used school one) and phone number. They stressed that there is no definite plan they just want to have the contact details if the gvt offer it.
Interestingly they also gave a selection of nearby locations for you to select from and then the nanes of two specific hospitals. I later saw on the news that one of these (St George’s Tooting) has a high rate of ‘no-shows’ for vaccines, so I wonder if we might be called to offer one last minute if a no/show means that a vaccine would otherwise be wasted.[/quote]
Thank you for the info! It's a really positive and proactive sign!

I’m kind of hoping the 45-50s, then 40-45, and also uni students and teachers. Then everyone else. I’m not sure how they could police the jobs. GPS don’t know what job you do, so how could they invite specific occupations for a vaccine? Teachers and uni students would be easy to do, as they could just have them done at school/uni - just like they have a Covid test station at uni, they could have a jab station.