How long do you think the public majority (IRL) will put up with this for?

[Quit4me]

How long do you think public opinion and action will continue to support not seeing friends and family?
I’m asking based on your real life experiences (not mumsnet views)
I’m not after ‘I’m giving up my life for as long as it takes’ views here, or ‘I’m happy watching tv and hugging my yoga mat for years.
I’m asking for realistic views of 2021 and public opinion as the year goes on.

@CountessFrog

There’s another from ‘covid phrase bingo’

‘I’m afraid.’

Said with such authority from a position of knowledge.

Same people who were assuring us that 'There will never be a vaccine. Sorry" are now darkly warning that "I'm afraid the vaccines won't work against the new variants'.

They hadn't a clue then. They don't have a clue now. Won't stop them though.

They have done everything half-heartedly
Because this problem mostly affects old sick disadvantaged people and half-hearted is how they feel about such people

If any Government admits sorry there's not a lot we can do other than live with it then at the very best they will be out of power for a very long time and at worst you will have civil unrest when people rightly say so what was the point of all the restrictions and economic damage

I totally get where you're coming from but am not so sure; after all I've not yet seen anyone blame Boris et al for the virus's very existence, and the economic disaster could well be palmed off as "Well, we had to try"

If someone's done their very best (and yes, I'm well aware they haven't) there's little shame in admitting that sometimes, we simply can't beat nature

Doesn't mean it would be easy though ...

Exactly why the Gov should have been doing everything in its power to try to stop this situation from getting so bad but they have done everything half heartedly

I agree, but that's the situation we're in and I'm not so sure any other British government would have been very different - for example, try any of the more extreme measures and the cry immediately goes up of "they can't do that!!"

Despite the predictable sneering I don't pretend to have any more knowledge than anyone else, but I recognise blind faith when I see it and in this case it was based on "the vaccines will save us all"

Unfortunately (another Bingo word?) that's never going to happen, so it seems to me that we can either trash everything in the vain hope it might, or realise that to preserve some sort of society we may need to accept that we can't cure everyone of everything all the time

Accept that we can't cure every one of everything all the time
I think it's reasonable that people should accept that, however it raises questions of who should we cure and isn't that what the wrangling and wrestling is about...who gets priority?

I don"t know if this is real but every time I see it at the station, it's how I feel.

mobile.twitter.com/ZNeveri/status/1356320463593594880

Isn't that what the wrangling and wrestling is about...who gets priority?

Absolutely, yes, and that's where some of the difficulties lie - especially when many will accept something in principle, right up to the point where it affects them, or a person or group they favour

To flip it round it even applies with those refusing the vaccine. Selfish b*stards one and all we're told, but only until that also fails to suit

And all over a virus which, to hear the talk, you'd think has a huge fatality rate

"Lockdown lover" Excuse me?
I am in no way a lockdown lover, but I am complying with all the rules and will continue for as long as it takes.
Stop with the judging and leave people alone.

I think (hope) summer at the latest

I think a lot of people are already not that concerned about some of the rules.
We just had a plumber in to do some work for us and he was saying that the vast majority of people that he goes to don’t care, don’t wear masks when he’s there, they don’t ask him to, don’t seem be overly fussed about keeping a distance etc. And he wasn’t complaining, it came across that he was happy to do whatever was asked but wasn’t bothered if they weren’t.
I’m aware it might be a slightly self selecting sample because people who are really worried won’t be having work done, but ours was emergency work and no one can avoid that so I thought it was interesting that he said that there’s hardly ever any difference between the way he works now, and the way he worked pre-covid.

It made me wonder, realistically how many people who aren’t concerned about being within 2m of a plumber who they don’t know, and who goes to multiple people’s houses, would be sticking to 2m when it comes to their own family.

I am complying with all the rules and will continue for as long as it takes.

What does this really mean though?

1 year, 2 years? 5? More?

Don’t you have elderly relatives where even a year or not seeing them could be an enormous chunk out of the time you have left?

Like I keep saying, it’s not a pause button.

YY @o8O8O8o If my electric goes, so does my lockdown compliance.

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/07/call-us-back-next-week-eon-customers-furious-over-service-meltdown

[quote MercyBooth]YY @o8O8O8o If my electric goes, so does my lockdown compliance.

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/07/call-us-back-next-week-eon-customers-furious-over-service-meltdown[/quote]
Oh no. Have you actually run out? This is dreadful.

Most people I know are being fairly careful but not following the rules anymore. For example, not having parties but having a friend over now and then or meeting up with a couple of people outside for drinks.

Not yet but EON have had these problems for over a MONTH now. Im bloody angry because people who are following the rules arent even guaranteed the electric they have PAID for (which will make it impossible to do lockdown. Imagine the spread if we all have to go to relatives + there are people on oxygen/dialysis at home who will have to go to hospital) while others are swanning off round the world.
No doubt if people have to go to relatives it will be blamed on us. Where is the ire for the companies who are causing the problems .(and i include the employers who are forcing their employees into work when they can WFH) The public are sick of being blamed for things that arent our fault.

Sorry for ranting @LunaHeather im a tad pissed off.

I dont blame you @MercyBooth that is appalling

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/eon-customers-gas-electricity-data-b1791496.html

E.On customers left without gas and electricity after personal data stolen in security breach
Households on pre-payment meters struggle to top up after utility firm takes down app over security threat

Excellent news on PM programme today. AZ is believed to cut transmission rate by up to 67%.

(According to BMJ, I think they said, caught report midway)

@rookiemere

I was on a thread - might have been this one - where someone was saying that we should not be rushing to get DCs back to school because of risk of them getting Diabetes Type 1 from Covid.

Whilst I agree there may be a risk, it feels like we have lost all sense
of proportionality. So there's probably an infinitesimal fractional chance of my DS getting Diabetes type 1, on the other hand the risk of him getting Diabetes type 2 through ongoing inactivity and comfort eating in lockdown is higher. This is a blunt example by the way and clearly as DP it's my responsibility to make sure he gets some exercise and monitor his diet, but as a teen he's missing out on school sports and other activities like walking from bus stop into school

We don't want bodies lying on the streets, but fully empty hospitals may argue that we're doing the job too well.

Oh nonsense. Your child isn't going to get type two diabetes from lockdown. Very very few children with this condition in the UK anyway and there would need to be other risk factors. What you feed your child and how you encourage them to exercise is something you have control over.

There is something like a 1 in 350 chance of your child having type one diabetes. However there is some evidence to say that this has risen significantly due to covid. So maybe a 1 in 200 chance, 1 in 150, who knows? Not infinitesimal. If your child does develop type one diabetes as a result of covid exposure, there will be nothing you can do about it. No cure. Injections 7 times a day or so, 10 blood tests a day. Weighing food and judging the carbohydrates in everything. Mental maths to work out each insulin dose. High or low blood sugars causing their own particular type of damage day and night. Likelihood of complications in adulthood if they develop it as a child even if they manage it really tightly. You'd have to be a bit of a dick to knowingly expose your child to that.

And by the way, I've seen the temporary morgues they've built to handle the bodies so, no, hopefully no bodies in the street.

@frazzledquaver that’s just pure scaremongering.

[quote WouldBeGood]@frazzledquaver that’s just pure scaremongering.[/quote]
Which bit are you querying?

Why would a child develop diabetes because of lockdown? You can still eat normal healthy food and go out for exercise every day. DS and I do a run each day - we’re gradually increasing the distance.

@Parker231

Why would a child develop diabetes because of lockdown? You can still eat normal healthy food and go out for exercise every day. DS and I do a run each day - we’re gradually increasing the distance.

I was thinking the same. I am healthier now than I ever have been. I am walking more, taking more time to cook nice healthy food, and my DDs are out every day in the buggy once it isnt raining. I have had my 2 year old gardening and watching me do Joe Wicks. There is very little else to do.