EU has triggered article 16 over controls on vaccine exports

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Breaking news on sky
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-eu-introduces-controls-on-vaccine-exports-to-northern-ireland-12202656

They shouldn't have trusted them in the first place!!.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/30/uk-firms-plan-to-shift-across-channel-after-brexit-chaos

The Observer can reveal that by 1 January this year some 500 businesses – mostly UK-owned, or UK-based with overseas owners – were already making inquiries about setting up branches, depots or warehouses in the Netherlands alone, for “Brexit-related reasons”.

@Guylan By 1st Jan, lol Nice try.

Guylan and after this debacle?.. I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole??

They publish private contracts willy nilly... Trigger sensitive political levers by accident... They can't organise anything... They will jump in and inspect your factory...

It's like dealing with the stasi!!

@Justthebeerlighttoguide

Guylan and after this debacle?.. I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole??

They publish private contracts willy nilly... Trigger sensitive political levers by accident... They can't organise anything... They will jump in and inspect your factory...

It's like dealing with the stasi!!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Hyperbole much.

@lunapeace

It was only really trendy to follow the remain campaign, following an ideology. I'm pleased to see on MN of all places, people finally standing the Brexit corner. I must have crossed over to an alternative reality.

👏 👏

@Ohthatsgreat

the EU is acting to do what it can to keep CV vaccines within the EU, to be administered to EU citizens

The EU has no right to stop vaccines being exported to countries that have a contract in place to receive those vaccines, just because they are manufactured in the EU.
Pfizer is producing vaccines in Belgium for Australia and Canada. Are you cool with the EU blocking those vaccines and taking them for themselves? On what basis? Australia and Canada have paid for those vaccines.

@Ohthatsgreat, EU are not blocking astrazeneca’s vaccines for Australian /Canadian citizens. AstraZeneca are manufacturing their vaccine in Australia for Australian citizens. Expect same in Canada.

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/coronavirus-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-production-begins/12864072

@Ohthatsgreat, just realised u are referring to Pfizer, not AstraZeneca, apologies, my mistake.

@MaddieElla

“but the pub that said they could feed both families.”

What if they didn’t? The second family came in too late, the pub may not have told them they had enough food to serve everyone that walked in, especially if they hadn’t booked.

Two strategies that might work better...

1. Speaking nicely to family one. Saying your awfully hungry, and asking if you might have one of their yorkshires til your own comes out.
2. Working with the pub. Hiring another chef, expanding the kitchen, peeling some potatoes.

Seems to me either of those is more likely to get you your dinner sooner.

I think this gives an interesting insight into the EU's behaviour.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55872763

I think this gives an interesting insight into the EU's behaviour.

Says the BBC...other POVs are available...for example...

www.politico.eu/

Yes it's good to read a range of views.

But I personally have always considered Katya Adler to be mostly unbiased.

Where on earth did all these MN leavers crawl out from? Never seen before.
It is in the EU’s contract with AZ that no previous contractural commitment with anyone else will interfere with their order, the contract also states that for the purpose of vaccine production the UK will be treated as an EU member - we should vaccinate our over 60’s and then share until all of EU over 60’s are also done before doing younger people here.

Where on earth did all these MN leavers crawl out from? Never seen before

a) when all you get is a routine barrage of insults, people tend to,stop posting. It doesn't mean people agree, it just means you've driven them to shut up. Brexit is not the only 'echo chamber' subject on MN

b) but, the worst of the Brexit insults are some time ago in the past, and there have been a lot of new members then. Who perhaps aren't worried about speaking up, because they aren't sick of the level of insults because they didn't see it happening.

c) and following on from b), I think the general tone of MN has changed quite a lot. It's neither as automatically left wing, and definitely not as community minded, as it was before.

@Toomuchtrouble4me

Where on earth did all these MN leavers crawl out from? Never seen before. It is in the EU’s contract with AZ that no previous contractural commitment with anyone else will interfere with their order, the contract also states that for the purpose of vaccine production the UK will be treated as an EU member - we should vaccinate our over 60’s and then share until all of EU over 60’s are also done before doing younger people here.

If we were going to do that, the sharing should be with COVAX - an organisation of which we are a member.

Not other rich nations who have contacts soon to be fulfilled in full

But have you seen the thread about that?

It’s not about what’s in the contract, it’s about how bad the EU handled the situation, absolutely disgusting, who would want to do business with them again after that fiasco, unbelievable

@Toomuchtrouble4me

Where on earth did all these MN leavers crawl out from? Never seen before. It is in the EU’s contract with AZ that no previous contractural commitment with anyone else will interfere with their order, the contract also states that for the purpose of vaccine production the UK will be treated as an EU member - we should vaccinate our over 60’s and then share until all of EU over 60’s are also done before doing younger people here.

Very interesting, where did you get your information from? None of the media articles i've read have specified any of this detail?

Where on earth did all these MN leavers crawl out from? Never seen before

Toomuchtrouble so you’d prefer no Brexit supporters to give a view? Very democratic and tolerant.
Maybe stick to the Brexit board echo chamber if that’s what you want.

Toomuchtroubletome

‘It is in the EU’s contract with AZ that no previous contractural commitment with anyone else will interfere with their order’

You are right the contract as published does say this but if you read it properly you will see that this clause only applies to any contracts that the EU have previously entered into . It is there to protect AZ not the reverse.

Your second point is a mystery , where does the contract say this ?

If U.K. decide to give away vaccine then it should be to countries who cannot afford vaccine and not to those who can but decided not to. The U.K. alone have given more money to Covax than the EU 27 have which is shameful of the EU.

For the record I was a fervent remainer and inspite of this debacle still believe we would be better in than out , but I am not so blinded that I cannot call out bad behaviour . The EU have in this instance messed up, they need to own it and get on with resolving their supply problems rather than wildly lashing out .

@Toomuchtrouble4me - the contract is actually available online. Section 5.1 says initial doses come from EU, Section 4.1 says that for additional doses AZ can decide to use UK if it wants. So, no.
The bits that are redacted include all amounts and dates, and could include previous commitments but it's not something anyone can comment on because it's redacted. If EC believe there are a specific number of doses sent away that weren't in the contract then the only sensible approach would have been to be explicit in the press about those volumes and then to have taken it to court rather than setting up other laws. They haven't.

Sorry should say 5.4 not 4.1

Agree with Motorina why didn't they support the manufacturer to deliver? They seem to have gone straight for the worst option.

Waves to @CaveMum thanks for the interesting article.

In one way the contract can say anything, the important thing is wether what is in the contract is legally enforceable.

Regarding pubs and roastes: its not about the first family and their meal but about the owners and their questionable practices. You have to remember that the second family paid for meat and vegetables to be grown.

@deragod - the second family paid 1/3 of the amount that the first family did, many months later, and wants 4 times as much. While they will settle their bill eventually, the money argument gives them least claim.

I was a remainer, I voted remain. But now I can understand why people voted and now I am for being independent.
It’s not the uk’s fault that we had a contract 3 months before them.
They are risking so many of our lives.

Where on earth did all these MN leavers crawl out from? Never seen before.
Aren't you a lovely person.
No one has the monopoly on who can post here. Maybe you should remember that.