AZ - EU contract published

[Davros]

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@Bluethrough the UK don’t hate Europe, I love Europeans, very friendly and welcoming, we would’ve helped given the chance, we were never given time to compromise 😢 such a shame for everyone

My point is that we in the UK would rather vaccinate our pet hamsters than give vaccine to the EU.

Well, I would have willingly agreed to that a week ago but now, well I'm not so sure. Sad to say really.

This is all of the EUs making, there hasn't been a peep from our Government and rightly so for the time being, however, I expect the EU will do their best to try and goad a reaction which is what is playing out now. As I said way back, the EU are setting fire to all their bridges in one go.

@Bluethrough

We cannot control the rash actions of the EU, all we can do is control our actions. A more conciliatory response from the UK might have been wiser, than simply to just say its a contractual dispute.

Many in the UK hate the EU, that is fact.

Could say the same about the EU - look at how badly we do in the Eurovision Song Contest - the only country that really gives us good marks is Malta - soooo annoying as we're really good at singing (just kidding`).

Also it is a contract dispute as of yesterday no one knew much about this and guessing the uk goverment hadn't see eu contract either , so probably wise they said nothing.
They did say something along the lines of they would speak to eu

This being re-tweeted by NI twitter accounts.

ICU isn’t just first phase so what is your age cut off Bluethrough?

the EU are setting fire to all their bridges in one go.

It really is quite extraordinary.

@EerieSilence I suggest you go educate yourself on the implications of triggering A16 before you embarrass yourself further. Here’s a good place to start:

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/29/eu-moves-to-stop-northern-ireland-being-used-as-a-vaccine-backdoor-to-britain?

Is it possible to look at this without looking through a Brexit lens?
it certainly looks as if the EU vaccine scheme has backfired. Which is dreadful news for the participating states - all of them - who agreed to this collective procurement, and will have long term political repercussions for the institution that is the EU. .

Its also pretty bad news for us. Our nearest neighbours who represent a significant % of rich, developed nations will be behind the pace in vaccination. This affects everyone. Fighting over inadequate resource achieves very little, working together to increase global production is the only solution.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@Bluethrough many dislike the eu not europe , big difference and actually not far off 50% voted stay and if you belive newspapers that has gone up
What did you want the british goverment to say ? On one hand you have people saying eu are within their right etc , then next uk should of done more ? Why can't the uk protect its contract [/quote]
I don't believe the papers.

Perhaps the UK could have said something like "we will look again at our contract and if we have spare vaccine, we will of course divert to the EU"

Offer sympathy and understanding.

In other words, defuse the situation.

We reley so much on the Dover crossing, its in our self interest to act carefully in the face of provocation.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas - I completely see the political issue and that's why ROI are already talking to EU Commission about it.
In terms of vaccinations and their supply, ROI isn't impacted because they get them. 8th February is the date for Astra-Zeneca.
I believe the whole issue will be resolved for the benefit of the whole island.
On the other hand, I'm also glad to see the EU finally acting in the interest of their members (let's not forget that NI isn't a member of the EU and they're only included in the goodies because with Gibraltar they're the only two British colonies in Europe).

@EerieSilence but it won't just affect vaccine supplies

That says eu not even paid Oxford AZ in full.

[quote Baileysforchristmas]@Bluethrough the UK don’t hate Europe, I love Europeans, very friendly and welcoming, we would’ve helped given the chance, we were never given time to compromise 😢 such a shame for everyone[/quote]
Oh give me strength.

You and others have argued the opposite for days on here.

@Dongdingdong I know the implications. I am also aware what the reason was and that there was an immediate response from the ROI government. Talks are ongoing.

I still want to know who will miss out on vaccine according to Bluethrough

And if it includes them and what age they are

donewithitalltodayandxmas, yes, there's political implications. That's why they didn't just let it lie.
Once again, please don't forget that the NI are still a part of the UK. The decision, short-sighted and sudden as it was, was to prevent using NI as a backdoor to deliver vaccines to Britain.

[quote EerieSilence]@Dongdingdong I know the implications. I am also aware what the reason was and that there was an immediate response from the ROI government. Talks are ongoing.[/quote]
It doesn't bother you that the EU didn't see fit to inorm either the British or the Irish governments that they were taking this very serious move? If they care so much about Ireland, an EU member state, shouldn't they have done them the courtesy of consulting - or at the very least informing - them in advance?

@Bluethrough we didn't say no though and they never actually asked did they? We said something along lines of we have to vaccinate our most vulnerable not really saying much

We cannot control the rash actions of the EU, all we can do is control our actions. A more conciliatory response from the UK might have been wiser, than simply to just say its a contractual dispute.

It is a contractual dispute, we have no power to resolve it.

The EU could have asked for our help with their vaccination shortfall but instead they chose to, very publicly, blame us for something we had absolutely nothing to do with.

Substituting the word hate for disagreement is provocative which is quite the opposite of conciliatory. Until today I've had no strong emotions with regard to the EU, sorry I'm not able to support your narrative but I do wonder if there maybe an element of confession by projection in your accusations of hate.

@EerieSilence who is using ni as a backdoor to deliver vaccines ? Az uk has its own supply manufactured in the uk

@MarshaBradyo

I still want to know who will miss out on vaccine according to Bluethrough

And if it includes them and what age they are

Look at their 9 priority groups for ideas, it goes no lower than 50.

In the JVCI report, its 65 as the point at which mortality rapidly increases.

@Eeriesilence also I am not stupid of course I am aware NI is part of the uk.
Do you not think what else the eu is threatening could affect relationships with other countries as well?

@Bluethrough no i haven’t. I have nothing against Europeans. Our papers are awful but so was the German paper against AZ, don’t go by the British media. I think most people in the UK have nothing against Europeans

@Bluethrough when was that report though as new variant seems to be hitting younger people as well and HI has not been ruled out
No vaccine is 100% either
Lots in icu are apparently in 50's so the pressure could remain quite high, plus all this is best projections on the vaccine , the proof is yet to come