AZ - EU contract published

[Davros]

Breaking news on BBC

www.dw.com/en/germanys-covid-vaccine-procurement-labeled-a-gross-failure/a-56115322
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/01/france-to-step-up-covid-jabs-after-claims-of-bowing-to-anti-vaxxers

EU are getting grief since the end of last year from EU countries - even Pfizer in the Guardian link are angry at EU for not putting in big enough orders and leaving EU countries exposed.

The EU have failed big time and need to hold their hands up; however, rather than do that and lose their jobs they are throwing blame around at AZ and UK and risking lives, trading relations, and whole economies to save their own arse. Appalling behaviour. Sack them, oh they can't.

donewithitalltodayandxmas

My point is that we in the UK would rather vaccinate our pet hamsters than give vaccine to the EU.

I did suggest giving vaccine to the EU when all our vulnerable were done but the demand was we give to COVAX instead, the eu can look after their own.

There is an undercurrent of hatred towards the eu and european countries or as one brexitier put it "France is a beautiful place, its just a pity the french live there"

Maybe we should blow up the Chanel tunnel

That escalated quickly you might have a point

@MissConductUS

The Wall Street Journal ran a great editorial about this last night, before the EU went completely bonkers:

The EU blows its rollout and blames a pharmaceutical firm

It's fairly long, so here are the last two paragraphs

Brussels soon will give national governments the power to block millions of vaccine doses from being exported from Europe. Such restrictions will certainly backfire, as other countries retaliate against Europe and complex supply chains fall apart.

Brussels is demonstrating its unique knack for self-foot-shooting by transforming its crisis of vaccine incompetence into deeper economic harm. The EU’s paramount challenge after the pandemic ebbs will be to revive economic growth despite decades of policy mismanagement. Yet nothing says “closed for business” like harassing companies that provide life-saving medical treatments.

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That's pretty much the consensus on this side of the pond.

That's an excellent summary from the Wall St Journal.

Suddenly they actually invoke articles in their treaties and act hard in the interest of the EU countries and everybody in the UK screams, oh, evil EU, how come they are only looking at the interests of their own

I have no problem with them looking after their own interests, I would expect nothing less. I do however hold them responsible for smearing the reputation of AZ and blaming the UK for a problem of their own making. Compounding their mistake by dangerously escalating tension in an attempt to cover for their incompetence is not the action of anyone fit to lead a nation or participate in international diplomacy. In short they are lunatic fuckwits who could cause serious conflict with their actions.

My point is that we in the UK would rather vaccinate our pet hamsters than give vaccine to the EU

I don't want to deny anyone rhe vaccine. Unlike the EU, it seems.

We have the worst death rate in Europe. Clearly the EU doesn't give a fuck about that.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas - it's Northern Ireland, not the ROI. It means that Northern Ireland would be affected by the ban. ROI supply still stands.
Second, the ROI Government already contacted the EU Commission with a protest and are discussing it, so the whole island is treated equally as per the protocol.
Northern Ireland is still a part of the UK as far as I know and it's actually really funny to watch Arlene all in a tizzy when Northern Ireland is being treated as a part of the UK when, actually, that's what they stand for.

@Bluethrough

donewithitalltodayandxmas

My point is that we in the UK would rather vaccinate our pet hamsters than give vaccine to the EU.

I did suggest giving vaccine to the EU when all our vulnerable were done but the demand was we give to COVAX instead, the eu can look after their own.

There is an undercurrent of hatred towards the eu and european countries or as one brexitier put it "France is a beautiful place, its just a pity the french live there"

I don’t get how people can read all that is going on, and skip over aggression from EU

@Theworldsgonemad

www.theregister.com/2021/01/29/eu_commission_vaccine_contract_redaction_fail/

The EU have shot themselves in the foot with this

What an embarrassment!

@Bluethrough your only basing that on here though , although my personal opinion would be to give it to the most in need , whoever that may be at the time.
No one is saying to nz to wait though or give up vaccine as they are safer there and living a better life than the rest of us - im not saying they should but you could argue lots of countries are more in need.
People have been quick to say about our death rate and cases and we are one of the worst , so surely we need to really get it under control here as well.

the American multinationals with European arms, and thus by extension, the US government will be paying very close attention.

Many of which are located in tax haven Republic of Ireland.

@Bluethrough but herd immunity through a vaccination relies on a big uptake or do you disagree with that?

My point is that we in the UK would rather vaccinate our pet hamsters than give vaccine to the EU.

And the EU would rather play with fire on the most sensitive border in Europe rather than acknowledge that they phucked this up spectacularly.

We have the worst death rate in Europe. Clearly the EU doesn't give a fuck about that.

You've got a point there!

We cannot control the rash actions of the EU, all we can do is control our actions.
A more conciliatory response from the UK might have been wiser, than simply to just say its a contractual dispute.

Many in the UK hate the EU, that is fact.

@Eeriesilence but NI and ROI share a border do they not ? Do you not see the issues this causes , if it was no problem the ROI would not be discussing would they?

I think the UK would’ve compromised with the EU if this was handled differently but they have gone bat shit and lost the plot in a very short time, they haven’t even given time for the UK to help, they have just gone all out war on the UK for no reason 😢

We have hardly said anything though?

Many in the UK hate the EU, that is fact

Many don't but they have played into their critics hands here.

To correct one of my earlier posts, the costs can be read in the incorrectly redacted version. There are some redactions that can't be read in full (mainly in the preamble and schedule A) but the bulk of the redacted text is available in the bookmarks. I'm keeping my copy of the badly redacted version for now!

*Suddenly they actually invoke articles in their treaties and act hard in the interest of the
For everyone applauding various governments negotiating brilliance I fear the only metrics of success will be actual delivery of the actual products

I'd be proud of the governments commitment to covax alone. I'm proud of its commitment to Aztrazeneca and the fact that Aztrazeneca is being delivered at cost/not for profit. If it actually does what it intends on the vaccine program that is just the icing on the cake

@Bluethrough

We cannot control the rash actions of the EU, all we can do is control our actions. A more conciliatory response from the UK might have been wiser, than simply to just say its a contractual dispute.

Many in the UK hate the EU, that is fact.

Britain has barely said anything. And it IS a contractual dispute, however much you and your beloved EU are trying to pretend otherwise.

@Bluethrough many dislike the eu not europe , big difference and actually not far off 50% voted stay and if you belive newspapers that has gone up
What did you want the british goverment to say ? On one hand you have people saying eu are within their right etc , then next uk should of done more ? Why can't the uk protect its contract

[quote marbellamarc]@Bluethrough but herd immunity through a vaccination relies on a big uptake or do you disagree with that? [/quote]
I answered this before but for your benefit,
Many experts agree Cv is likely to be a seasonal vaccination as it mutates, much like flu, so will be given to at risk groups.

We don't vaccinate children, so HI is def not possible.

@FOJN

The production of the AZ vaccine in Belgium is done under licence. I wonder if they're worried AZ will pull the license because the EU has behaved so appallingly towards them.

Would seizure of IP get round the license issue so they can continue to produce the vaccine without AZ input?

AZ would be wise to start removing all useful documents from any EU production sites.

I should imagine the shredder )or whatever the virtual equivalent is) is in overdrive