There's another vaccine! And we've got 60 million shots! And it's made here!

[HelloThereMeHearties]

And it's effective against the new UK variant!

And it will really wind the EU up!!!

Novavax has passed its stage three trial, now hopefully the MHRA will approve it!!!

Also , I really think it’s worth pointing out that many European newspapers are reporting the EU’s behaviour with clarity. A report I read in one German newspaper yesterday stated that this latest debacle from the EU was the best advertisement for leaving the union and that maybe the UK were correct.
Many Europeans are well aware of what is happening and how the Inion is behaving, and it’s putting the union in a very precarious position, which is why they are focussed on blaming the UK.

The UK looking good in any way atm makes them look bad.

Many European countries have already broken rank and are getting vaccines from China because the EU has let them down so badly.

The EU are looking for a fall guy.

@baroqueandblue

The UK has behaved with dignity and done absolutely nothing wrong.

The internet's a wonderful thing. You can make outrageously improbable statements and people can believe you typed them with a straight face.

In this instance the U.K. haven’t done anything wrong.

@RedToothBrush

Matt Hancocks ner nerr ner nerrr ner moment on twitter was priceless and indeed completely dignified and necessary. hmm

I’m not talking about the whole pandemic!!!
I’m talking about the situation we’re discussing ... the vaccine supply!!!

I’m not a Tory or a Brexiteer.

I do t have an agenda...I’m just a citizen with an opinion on this vaccination issue!!

Very pleased re: vaccine. It's lovely to have some good news.

But we need to stop this nationalism or we'll never be able to go anywhere ever again. And people will suffer, all over.

We should be really proud of what has happened here in the UK WRT vaccines. We have some of the best scientists and companies right here in the UK. The govt. and these experts took a gamble on the vaccines and it has paid off. They also invested heavily in the research and set up with our tax money and our future debt.

It is only right that our government looks after our people first. If you had very little food and fuel in your house during this pandemic, you wouldn't go giving it away to your neighbours. You would make sure your own family was OK first.

What we need is 4-6 weeks. We need the Novavax vaccine up and produced and we need our top 4 groups vaccinated. Once we are done, I am pretty certain that the Govt. will use this as an opportunity to promote themselves internationally by being seen as the good guy, getting our vaccines out far and wide to poorer countries.

I don't believe that all these jabs in our arms are just about Coronavirus. I think it is also a massive PR exercise for Britain PLC. Sounds cynical, it's not meant to be. So long as people stop dying it's fine by me.

Finally, Nicola Sturgeon. WTF. Siding with the EU. Why doesn't she say that she doesn't want any more jabs for Scotland and pass them over then? The more I hear her, the less I care about the future of the union.

@Avondklok

Everyone is framing this in EU vs U.K light which is not accurate. The EU are not throwing their toys out. they have a contract and have invested money in U.K. manufacturing which has allowed U.K. to get their vaccines. When the EU wants their vaccines AZ are now breaching the contract.

Do the U.K. not also have a contract with AZ? Made 3 months earlier than the EU's one?

@SoupDragon
Our contract with AZ was signed 3 months earlier and if you believe some people the agreement with us was to definitely make x million in the first quarter of this year whereas with the EU the agreement was only to try their 'best effort' to make x million this quarter. Of course none of us have seen the actual contracts and there will be lots of lawyers all over it right now.

Finally, Nicola Sturgeon. WTF. Siding with the EU. Why doesn't she say that she doesn't want any more jabs for Scotland and pass them over then? The more I hear her, the less I care about the future of the union

I’m a Scot and I’ll never forgive Nicola for laying the shit on when our country is already in its knees.
Nicola has exploited this pandemic for her own ends, she’d fit in well in the EU tbh.

I have to say I was relieved when I read the new vaccine would be made in the UK. Shame it won't be ready for use until the second half of the year.

People are obviously upset/angry over the EU statements that recently came out. Some of it very inflammatory. Trade wars, get the weapons out

The EU was much later than the UK and others ordering their doses, if it's not a first come first served then why should the EU come before the UK and take doses already planned to be used here? Some UK doses were also very delayed but the UK didn't react in the same way the EU has.

I assume nothing was found at the plant they inspected to see if AZ was lying or it would have been all over the news. I can't believe a pharmaceutical company that has agreed to produce vaccines at cost for developed nations has been made out to be such a villain. I think the EU looks very, very bad here and not just to the leave crowd. I didn't think I'd say it but I'm glad we're no longer a member state.

@IheartJKR

Also , I really think it’s worth pointing out that many European newspapers are reporting the EU’s behaviour with clarity. A report I read in one German newspaper yesterday stated that this latest debacle from the EU was the best advertisement for leaving the union and that maybe the UK were correct. Many Europeans are well aware of what is happening and how the Inion is behaving, and it’s putting the union in a very precarious position, which is why they are focussed on blaming the UK.

The UK looking good in any way atm makes them look bad.

Many European countries have already broken rank and are getting vaccines from China because the EU has let them down so badly.

The EU are looking for a fall guy.

a very good point . They do have every right to be upset though that they are not getting what they thought they were.

The whole thing also feels much worse somehow knowing the vaccines produced here will be going to the UK elderly whereas Germany announced the AZ won't be used on the over 65s. I don't know if the EU plans to follow but taking vaccines from the elderly in one nation and giving it to a younger population would be awful.

The uk getting the ball rolling and vaccine early is good for us. Its also good for the EU and the rest of the world. It helped shortern international lead times.

Equally its bad for the UK for the EU to be slow off the mark. This is bad not because of anyone 'nicking' vaccine. But because we need everyone internationally to be on the ball as its bad for the uk for other outbreaks to get out of control because of the risk of mutation. Its not in the UK national interest for the EU to be struggling for this reason and for trading reasons. Its bad for our economy.

I should clarify- the European Union are looking for a fall guy.....

Many European citizens already know where the problem lies.....with the Union.

@IheartJKR

Finally, Nicola Sturgeon. WTF. Siding with the EU. Why doesn't she say that she doesn't want any more jabs for Scotland and pass them over then? The more I hear her, the less I care about the future of the union

I’m a Scot and I’ll never forgive Nicola for laying the shit on when our country is already in its knees.
Nicola has exploited this pandemic for her own ends, she’d fit in well in the EU tbh.

What are the chances of another independence vote? What's your general feeling? Don't worry I'm not expecting a definitive answer just seeking opinions

I didn't think I'd say it but I'm glad we're no longer a member state.

If the science and development of vaccines and the speed at which we can do things, is anything to go by, then yes I'm really glad too.

If we were still a part of the EU we would have hardly anyone vaccinated by now and we would be in lockdown after lockdown.

@Livelovebehappy

This isn’t about Brexit? Surely you can be a staunch remainer, but still see that the EU are behaving like petulant arses over this issue.

What? The EU signed a contract with AZ and gave them shitloads of money. AZ is now reneging on that contract (and refusing to make it public - the EU can't because of a non-disclosure clause). And somehow the EU are being petulant arses?

Wonder how 28 countries all fighting for its own vaccine supply would work out?
On a similar thread, a poster said we should go to war if the eu block exports, no one pulled her up on this statement.

Most posters seem to think that its the states responsibility to look after their own first and foremost, on that logic other countries should stop exports of vaccine if they have none? after all, why should their workers produce vaccine for another country, whilst their parents die?

There is a finite amount of vaccine and we should not wait until we have vaccinated our entire population before diverting vaccine to the EU/AZ contract.

@RedToothBrush

The uk getting the ball rolling and vaccine early is good for us. Its also good for the EU and the rest of the world. It helped shortern international lead times.

Equally its bad for the UK for the EU to be slow off the mark. This is bad not because of anyone 'nicking' vaccine. But because we need everyone internationally to be on the ball as its bad for the uk for other outbreaks to get out of control because of the risk of mutation. Its not in the UK national interest for the EU to be struggling for this reason and for trading reasons. Its bad for our economy.

I agree.

The problem with the European Union has always been the politics and bureaucracy- they got into this mess by focussing on flexing their muscles.

Who would make it... how it would look....who’s take credit....who’d get what share...where would the profits go....how would it look???

Meanwhile - some of the poorer European countries are in a terrible way and looking at them with a WTF??? That’s why many have already said , fuck this - I have a duty toward our people we can’t wait for these arseholes to get their dicks in a row (not a spellcheck), and have broken ranks and ordered from China.

The European Union’s accomplishments have been a success inspite of the Union, not because of it.

The UK faced delays, it's just that the EU ordered three months later.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-04/delays-hit-oxford-vaccine-production-for-u-k-government-supply

You're celebrating it "winding the EU up".

I'm reporting this. An invitiation to celebrating the increased death rates due to the Astra-Zeneca/EU dispute is sick.

This is embarrassing.

None of us are protected until we're all protected. Globally. Are you going to be happy that sub Saharan Africa doesn't have vaccines too?

Rule- 100% agree but posters don’t seem to understand the implications of how other countries not being vaccinated will affect the U.K. for years to come.

I've reported this thread.

I'm sure the OP isnt' actually intending for us to dance on the graves of those currently dying unnecessarilly in Paris due to a contractual snafu but this will attrack those who do enjoy such dances.
Also more than a few of us have people on the continent whose deaths would cause us grief.

OP why don't you just self-report and start another thread? You have a perfect right to celebrate the new vaccine and its link to the UK but you overstepped a mark and you're going to attract some dark comments.

and we deserve it more than others because of where we were born?? imagine the uproar if your wealthy neighbour paid the doctor and bypassed the queue and had what would of been your vaccine, yet because it's 'us' we should be celebrating as a nation we can be vaccinated ahead of poorer worldwide nations. Yes if we protect the richest economies we can support others financially, however we also risk more variants mutating and we are still selling out any morality we might claim to have but yes let's celebrate 'senior' figures arguing over which rich country ordered the vaccines first.

And I'm a front line 'key worker' I've had four days completely off work in 9 months and not in a top. four category so I am directly affected. We should be leading way in doing the right thing worldwide.

sorry for typos - I was thinking about some dear friends on the other side of the channel.

Their empty vaccine centre brings me no joy.