Making pupils repeat a year

[PigggieABC]

Is this likely to happen?

What would happen to the pre-school and year 6 cohorts in this scenario?

Can you imagine having 12 year olds at primary school?

Wouldn't it be much better to move all year groups up as usual but lower the expectations in each year's set curriculum?

I hope they won't do this.

No it won’t happen.

I really, really hope not.

most primary schools won't have the space to house an extra year group, so year 6 will have to move on.

I'd much rather they move up and there be proper funding for catch up for those who need it.
My younger DD would go mad repeating a year. My elder DD would benefit, but she always would have done.

I doubt it now, they would have had to make that decision earlier. There’s not enough time now to build extra classrooms which would be needed to house a whole extra year in schools. Also what would happen to the unis, just not have a first year next year? Make lecturers redundant as they can’t cover the costs?

There was a thread a few days ago listing the many, many reasons it was unviable.

We’ve had this discussion a few times

Actually the benefits sort of out way the negative educationally

As for can I imagine a 12 year old in primary school in most countries primary/elementary school is until 12 even 13 in Ireland if their summer horns

The kids have missed a year of school except for three very stretched months from September

Pretty much all children will be a year behind,

The vulnerable and those from families who don’t support education could ge many many years behind

I and a far few others actually think it’s probably for the best and hope it does happen

Boris Johnson admits it will take children a YEAR to catch up as it emerges education secretary wanted schools to reopen after half term but PM overruled him

From the Fail. I hope this is not us being primed. Would it even be possible? Really unfair to expect the kids to plow through hours of online learning and then making them repeat the year.

@dbIdb

There was a thread a few days ago listing the many, many reasons it was unviable.

Thank you, would you be able to link by any chance?

No, it won’t be possible for this to happen.

It won’t happen, I watched the announcement yesterday and he mentioned additional funding for things like summer school for pupils who need it

@RizzleDrizzle

We’ve had this discussion a few times

Actually the benefits sort of out way the negative educationally

As for can I imagine a 12 year old in primary school in most countries primary/elementary school is until 12 even 13 in Ireland if their summer horns

The kids have missed a year of school except for three very stretched months from September

Pretty much all children will be a year behind,

The vulnerable and those from families who don’t support education could ge many many years behind

I and a far few others actually think it’s probably for the best and hope it does happen

I can understand some parents might want this, but realistically how would you propose it’s done? Bearing in mind there would be a whole extra year to accommodate and you can’t just throw school buildings up (for many reasons including safety it takes a while).

Provision for catch up and possibly an extra year of 16 -19 provision for those that want it when they reach stage (as that would more easily be accommodated) would be a better idea.

@RizzleDrizzle

We’ve had this discussion a few times

Actually the benefits sort of out way the negative educationally

As for can I imagine a 12 year old in primary school in most countries primary/elementary school is until 12 even 13 in Ireland if their summer horns

The kids have missed a year of school except for three very stretched months from September

Pretty much all children will be a year behind,

The vulnerable and those from families who don’t support education could ge many many years behind

I and a far few others actually think it’s probably for the best and hope it does happen

I agree with you. Primary schools in my country until you're 14. As much as schools are trying to teach remotely, I don't think it works for children. Mine just don't concentrate the same way.

It’s a terrible idea and I’m surprised so many people on social media seem to support it.

I and a far few others actually think it’s probably for the best and hope it does happen

And what if next year looks like this year? Do we keep them back again?
School years need to move up and the gaps need to be addresses in the each year, expectations need to be adjusted.

I wouldn't be surprised if spring term will be remote learning for years to come (apologies if that sounds horribly gloomy). With Covid here to stay we need to adjust and look at blended learning and manage disruptions wisely.

Holding back 14 year groups would be insane! It would have repercussions for the next two decades.

@bumbleymummy

It’s a terrible idea and I’m surprised so many people on social media seem to support it.

Because people don’t think about the logistics and work behind an idea like this, they only think of the face value of it and children exactly like their own

It is a poor idea but I can see where they have come from. My year 12 students this year are weak and still struggling with basic concepts and the idea of revision, simply because they didn't do it last year. The current year 11s have had more disruption and that will have a knock on effect.

I think they could do this but they would need to delay the 4 year olds due to start, and look at how to increase nursery provision. To be honest I think 4 is very young to start so this wouldn’t be a bad thing. Logistics would probably make it too difficult though. Cut a year out somewhere - our kids have more years in school (14) than elsewhere anyway...

Well there'll be few to none Universities left for DC to progress on to.

@RizzleDrizzle

We’ve had this discussion a few times

Actually the benefits sort of out way the negative educationally

As for can I imagine a 12 year old in primary school in most countries primary/elementary school is until 12 even 13 in Ireland if their summer horns

The kids have missed a year of school except for three very stretched months from September

Pretty much all children will be a year behind,

The vulnerable and those from families who don’t support education could ge many many years behind

I and a far few others actually think it’s probably for the best and hope it does happen

I agree with this.

My summer born DS got very little provision during last spring's lockdown when he was in y1 and although the provision is better this time around, it is in no way an equivalent for being in school. If schools dont go back properly til - lets face it - after easter he will have a few weeks and then expected to enter y3? in what world is that ok?!! Not only have we fucked our kids over by shutting schools for the best part of a year; but now we're setting them all up to fail too?

@Glitterbaby17

I think they could do this but they would need to delay the 4 year olds due to start, and look at how to increase nursery provision. To be honest I think 4 is very young to start so this wouldn’t be a bad thing. Logistics would probably make it too difficult though. Cut a year out somewhere - our kids have more years in school (14) than elsewhere anyway...

But wouldn't they have to change the whole EY curriculum? It's designed for 4-7 year olds. Why make millions of pupils wade through boring online learning for hours each day and then ask them to cover it all again it would be incredibly demoralising. If I knew this was happening I'd ditch all the learning now and focus on letting the kids play all day long.

I don't think it's unviable, having delayed the school start of two of my summer born children for a year which has been a positive thing for them, I'd support raising the school starting age to 5. Of course it is 5 for the legal requirement to be receiving a full-time education already. One of my summer borns will turn 12 before she leaves primary, I don't see that as a problem socially or educationally.

At the other end, it's really not clear how viable many uni courses are going to be for first year students this year anyway. I'm reading a number of lecturers are reluctant to return to in person sessions and there's the big question of students and their parents paying for accommodation they can't use as has happened this year. Course fees are so high now, the amount of student debt accrued so large, there surely has to be some sort of guarantee for them or better to delay a year Repeat this A level year and sit exams under normal conditions next summer. College students on vocational courses could benefit from repeating too.

It's such an uncertain time, I go between thinking mine'll be back in the classroom before Easter to could they alter the term dates for summer school to repeating a year to is remote learning from a central hub going to become the new normal!

@Glitterbaby17

I think they could do this but they would need to delay the 4 year olds due to start, and look at how to increase nursery provision. To be honest I think 4 is very young to start so this wouldn’t be a bad thing. Logistics would probably make it too difficult though. Cut a year out somewhere - our kids have more years in school (14) than elsewhere anyway...

It’s too late for that now, it would take a lot longer to to plan and build extra nursery room. Current nurseries already have this years intake sorted, Places get sorted early on in March leave and there are waiting lists. The 4 year olds will have no where to go apart from school, unless your proposing to keep them all home for a year.

What will happen to higher education? They can't dumb down degrees. Will all students have to do a foundation year?