How can we show our dissent?

[Downtown36]

Feeling so desperate after the announcement today that essentially has us all in this level of lockdown for another 6 weeks weeks at least.

Rates of infection on a steady decline and already so many vaccinated. I wholly disagree with it continuing at the is level. What can I do about it?

In the worst pandemic in living times and you still get people who only think of themselves.
Shame on you OP.

@Noidea2114

In the worst pandemic in living times and you still get people who only think of themselves. Shame on you OP.

Shame on you for being so patronising.

Everyone copes with things differently. The adverse effects of the lockdown shouldn't be played down.
A lot of peoples mental health are suffering.
Home schooling while working from home, their children upset cut off from friends, children losing out on their education, people losing their jobs, people are not seeing their dying relatives, people riddled in cancer have little to treatment, suicide rates going up.
Alot of these people are children and working age who have a very small chance of being killed by Corona.

Its hard pill to swallow for some to cut their lives off to save a small percentage of the population who are mostly at/near the life expectancy age anyway.

@DuchessofHastings1 I presume you didn't see that person's post before it was deleted.

Its hard pill to swallow for some to cut their lives off to save a small percentage of the population who are mostly at/near the life expectancy age anyway.

But that is only a small part of the picture.
Isn't the whole point about lockdown about being able to have enough NHS resources to look after people with lifelong conditions, ongoing health issues, emergencies like RTAs, strokes, heart attacks, suicidal people and others in mental health crisis etc?

Deaths are still in the thousands per day and vaccinations are still rolling out.

Lockdown has to stay put for now.

@Noidea2114

In the worst pandemic in living times and you still get people who only think of themselves. Shame on you OP.

^ THIS

I am beginning to think some of those who just love to depress and lecture others are actually ncing then creating posts like this to tee up the hands on hip brigade

Its hard pill to swallow for some to cut their lives off to save a small percentage of the population who are mostly at/near the life expectancy age anyway.

One of the more instructive things about this pandemic has been the realisation that there are so many sociopaths about. I was aware of this, intellectually, but to see them pop up and spew statements like the above without any qualms disturbed so greatly at first it almost did me in mentally. Duchess, I do hope you gain compassion for all people - even those nearly at the end of life, as they have given so much already. (Plus, you are conveniently ignoring the fact that the CV population is composed of all ages, not just the elderly.)

Yep both CV and ECV too and although with a health condition most of these people live normal lives with normal life expectancy.
Although the elderly matter too.

All lives matter to me.

Absolutely

It is not sociopathic to consider children over adults. It is not sociopathic to want people to have cancer treatment over saving the lives of those over 80. Both sides on this debate are good kind considered people who are anything but selfish.

The general denial about accepting death as part of the circle of life has been very apparent on MN since the shit-show started last year. We can't save everyone and we shouldn't, not when the consequences of trying to do this are so huge.

Unfortunately Covid affects all age groups. It’s no longer an old persons illness. The information below is up to 28 January.

The age of patients admitted to hospital with coronavirus in London since the start of the pandemic is detailed below.

Age % of Admissions
0-5 1.2%
6-17 1.0%
18-64. 44.3%
65-84. 37.1%
85+ 16.4%

Can you give more information about those stats?

Because if the vast majority of deaths are in the 80+ age group, there’s seems to be an anomaly in your figures.

I can only conclude they are dying at home. Which we know is true.

Number admitted to hospital does not correlate with age affected. This is basic stuff.

@Xenia

It is not sociopathic to consider children over adults. It is not sociopathic to want people to have cancer treatment over saving the lives of those over 80. Both sides on this debate are good kind considered people who are anything but selfish.

Perfectly summarised.

Countess - the figures are from the Zoe research. Although younger people are being admitted to hospitals seriously ill, they tend to recover and the majority of deaths are from the elderly although two friends of a colleague have been in hospital since New Year. They are very unwell but young with no underlying health conditions and expected to recover.

Age% of Admissions
0-5 1.2% {5 years}
6-17 1.0% {11 years}
18-64. 44.3% {46 years}
65-84. 37.1% {19 years}
85+ 16.4% {15 years approx

Now see if you were a The Sun journalist and printed this, it would cause unnecessary panic. This is what they do present facts with an agenda.
People would like at this and think its affected people more under 65 looking at the percentage but the age range is very different.
The age span of 18-64 is 46 years which is double (a lot more people) than the 65-84 so of course the percentage is going to be nearer.

As PP, have said, these are people are admitted to hospital not dying. Also these younger people could have underlying health conditions.

The press are more interested in reporting the numbers of deaths. These are a tragedy for each family affected. Less coverage is given to the hospital admissions although this is an important part in determining how overwhelmed the NHS is and when lockdown can be lifted .

@Ginfordinner

Its hard pill to swallow for some to cut their lives off to save a small percentage of the population who are mostly at/near the life expectancy age anyway.

But that is only a small part of the picture.
Isn't the whole point about lockdown about being able to have enough NHS resources to look after people with lifelong conditions, ongoing health issues, emergencies like RTAs, strokes, heart attacks, suicidal people and others in mental health crisis etc?

But that's not happening though is it? These lockdowns have been going on for a year now and people still can't access GPs. Cancer patients are having to have their treatment at home because of Covid. A friend of mine has had crippling migraines and lack of vision, and couldn't get an appointment. So let's just keep up these lockdowns up, keep every other disease illness in the background and let's all live in fear ey?

DD managed to see her GP due to crippling migraines. DH managed to upload a photo of a suspicious mole to get it looked at and have a telephone consultation about it. I managed to get an emergency eye appointment at the hospital.
A close family member had a cancer op and 6 weeks of daily radiotherapy - all within the last few months. Our GP surgery vaccinated nearly 500 people yesterday morning.

It sounds like some areas are dealing with this better than others.

And not having a lockdown would have meant that none of this would have been possible.

DH is a GP - they are being seeing patients throughout. Telephone appointments were possible and f2f when required. Patients have continued to be referred for specialist treatment. One of our neighbours is having cancer treatment and has continued with this including seeing his consultant.

@Xenia

It is not sociopathic to consider children over adults. It is not sociopathic to want people to have cancer treatment over saving the lives of those over 80. Both sides on this debate are good kind considered people who are anything but selfish.

It is however unrealistic to think that cancer treatment would go on as normal if we ended lockdown and covid cases surged.

The numbers declining because of the measures in place.
Parts of Western Australia have just been put on a full lockdown due to 1, yes, 1 person testing positive of the uk strain.
And you want to open things up because ‘only’ 30k+ people are getting it a day???