Primary schools back sooner than expected?

[deeplybaffled]

It’s hard to know what to believe, but PHE now seem to be suggesting that primary schools can safely return after half term - which seems to contradict all other recent reports and government comments
focussing around Easter!

[LucyLockdown]

Your point was about the Teachers catching it off the kids without symptoms, so if the Teachers have symptoms they are tested and included in the numbers.

Other than that not sure what your point actually is?

No. My point was that kids are often asymptomatic so the data is very far from accurate. Kind of relevant when they’re saying the data shows not many primary schools have had outbreaks. When teachers catch it it’s the tip of the iceberg and does not reflect the situation in schools.

[CallmeAngelina]

@BubblyBarbara

But I dont think anything has been done to make classrooms safer has it?

There is no doubt in my mind that schools are safe, it’s just the mixing that happens there

Care to explain what on earth that means?
Are you Boris Johnson?

[BooksAreNotEssentialInWales]

The fact primary children don't get very ill or die from a disease, aren't major spreaders and teachers aren't at any great risk is a cause for celebration. I'm not sure what motives people have for saying this can't be true when study after study shows it is. The damage being done to children is heartbreaking and there will be no money or resource to repair it, some won't be repairable. Having a well educated, socially developed population means healthier futures for everyone. This is fantastic news.

[TheSultanofPingu]

Ineedaholidaynow It is stressful for schools also, I agree completely. I work in a school (not teaching) and I see the hard work and dedication everyone puts in. I have to hide some threads on here due to the teacher bashing that goes on by people who have no idea. It was just that this thread made me realise how confusing all these news reports can be.

[sundowners]

Fingers crossed they can go back!

[ineedaholidaynow]

No they didn’t, not for Primary School staff. Just banned it for the testing instead of isolating proposal

[CallmeAngelina]

"This is fantastic news."
Except that it's NOT news. It is speculation.

[siestalady]

@LucyLockdown

All this ‘our kids have suffered enough’ and ‘our kids have been sacrificed’ just makes me laugh. Get a grip. The overwhelming majority of kids are fine. They’re learning from home not being sent down the mines ffs.

there is nothing fucking laughable about the MH crisis we are about to see in our children/young people. You really think its ok that there are children out there who might not see another child in person from mid Dec through to after Easter?? Can you really say that is ok and isnt going to cause long term harm?

Yes the homeschooling provision has been better this time around (which doesnt say much when you compare it to what we had last time) but you're utterly deluded if you think what is being provided is in any way comparable to what these kids would be learning in school.

[LucyLockdown]

The damage being done to children is heartbreaking

So bored of this kind of statement. It’s not true just because you say it is.

[takingthebiscuits]

@LucyLockdown

Your point was about the Teachers catching it off the kids without symptoms, so if the Teachers have symptoms they are tested and included in the numbers.

Other than that not sure what your point actually is?

No. My point was that kids are often asymptomatic so the data is very far from accurate. Kind of relevant when they’re saying the data shows not many primary schools have had outbreaks. When teachers catch it it’s the tip of the iceberg and does not reflect the situation in schools.

The definition of an outbreak is two or more confirmed positive cases.

This is reflected in the numbers.

A lot of areas with high case numbers offer asymptomatic testing.

Not sure what else you are demanding is done?

We can’t definitely destroy the health and wellbeing of most dc because some people might catch covid, risks must be balanced!

[ineedaholidaynow]

@FanciedanewnameAnne problem is we won’t learn from other countries, we will simply send children back as normal, with if they are lucky a bottle of hand sanitiser which doesn’t really stop an airborne virus.

Unfortunately in this country Education seems to come way down the list when it comes to funding

[TheSunIsStillShining]

@borntobequiet

There is no doubt in my mind that schools are safe, it’s just the mixing that happens there

That is a peculiarly meaningless statement.

Give credit where credit is due: Boris said this a few weeks ago if I remember correctly...

[MNnicknameforCVthreads]

@LucyLockdown

The damage being done to children is heartbreaking

So bored of this kind of statement. It’s not true just because you say it is.

@LucyLockdown

The experts are saying it's true:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-depression-among-children-is-at-frightening-levels-doctors-warn-lz7cg7xf8

As someone else around here said...if, in normal times you knew of a family who home-schooled their kids and didn't allow them interaction with other children nor meaningful trips out then there would be outrage.

The way we are treating our children is not acceptable.

[catgirl1976]

I hope not.

It would be insanity IMO to start relaxing things now. DS will not be going back after half term if they do open.

[siestalady]

@LucyLockdown

The damage being done to children is heartbreaking

So bored of this kind of statement. It’s not true just because you say it is.

You sound like a really nice person. Why dont you go and twitch your curtains, see if anyone has broken any rules this morning? Maybe that'll cheer you up.

[TheSunIsStillShining]

It feels like groundhog day.
Same arguments about sacrificed children and so on....
Good ppl of the internet who want children to be back in schools pls tell me:
Why the hell aren't you campaigning for SAFER schools?

We've been through this cycle of get children back children are back w/no safety measures numbers skyrocket -- lockdown

Why on earth would you want to replicate this??????

[itsgettingweird]

It's true the data is misleading.

It's never been queried that pupils are likely asymptomatic or just possibly a little sniffly.

It's also not disputed by the public but never actually recognised by government that these pupils are not tested. No symptoms so no test.

Therefore when teachers get it they can do do say it's not school transmission. The truth is they have no evidence it isn't but also no evidence it is. And they only deal with evidence they can prove which backs a theory.

They can prove there is no data to back up the transmission of pupils to teachers where pupils are often asymptomatic.

But the important fact people are not recognising for themselves and the government are relying on the public not connecting the dots over is ......


They can say there is no evidence pupils are passing it to teachers.

However...... they have also said that they are 2-7 times more likely to be index case in a household.

So how come they pass it to parents and siblings but not classmates and teaching/school staff?!

[takingthebiscuits]

@ineedaholidaynow

No they didn’t, not for Primary School staff. Just banned it for the testing instead of isolating proposal

Thanks, not seen this, do you have a link?

[borntobequiet]

The MHRA have banned this from going ahead last week.

I don’t think they’ve banned weekly/twice weekly testing for teachers, which is what I was talking about in my post. What they have put a stop to is the plan to use LFTs instead of SI for pupil contacts in secondary schools.

[FanciedanewnameAnne]

@LucyLockdown

Just because you are 'bored' with a statement doesn't make it incorrect.

I am sure some children are fine and others are not. Have you seen this story?

go.skimresources.com/?id=470X756&isjs=1&jv=14.4.0-stackpath&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mumsnet.com%2FTalk%2Fcoronavirus%2F4147065-Childrens-depression-now-at-frightening-levels&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fcoronavirus-depression-among-children-is-at-frightening-levels-doctors-warn-lz7cg7xf8&xguid=01EGXRSZRMG9WTB6JG0R26PB9F&xs=1&xtz=0&xuuid=d070c4de8a71d02b20672a00ea41e29c&xjsf=other_click__auxclick%20%5B2%5D

[LucyLockdown]

You sound like a really nice person. Why dont you go and twitch your curtains, see if anyone has broken any rules this morning? Maybe that'll cheer you up.

Thank you, yes I am lovely! By the way, your anti-lockdown leanings are showing from behind the thin veneer of your ‘concern for the children’.

[BubblyBarbara]

I honestly think this is causing real damage to children that will last for years.

If you go to Russia or much of Eastern Europe you notice how people don’t smile much and are rather cold to strangers until they get to know you? It’s because they were treated so harshly for decades under communism. The younger generations will be like this here too in future