Primary schools back sooner than expected?

[deeplybaffled]

It’s hard to know what to believe, but PHE now seem to be suggesting that primary schools can safely return after half term - which seems to contradict all other recent reports and government comments
focussing around Easter!

@MarshaBradyo

Good I’m over talking about it too.

I'm sure you wish me well too, even though you didn't say as much. 😉

Nope I won’t change my mind. My approach is fine. It’s repugnant views on dc mh I have issue with. Only from a few but bad enough.

But @MarshaBradyo, you haven't explained how schools going back now (i.e. immediately after half term) with community infection levels still very high, and without any robust additional measures in place - as many people are demanding - will go anywhere near to addressing the mental health risks for CV/CEV children, who would either have to stay at home or risk serious illness? Surely there is a sensible middle ground here that looks at minimising the harm to all children?

Made me laugh which dissipated some annoyance. I’ll get back to you ;

I think most people have enough empathy (and intelligence) to understand just because their children are ok that thousands aren’t? Unless you have been living under a rock and have the news switched off?

My DS1 is actually fine but that didn’t stop me having a cry listening to the stories from mothers taking about how their children have been affected.

But I guess some posters are lacking that empathy gene. And that’s fine. I just know what type of person I’d rather be.

Why keep harping back to last year and schools re opening in September. We are not in last year and we were told when the top 3 vunerable groups had been vaccinated then restrictions will start to lift as this will have an impact on hospital figures and deaths. They need to stick to this not start changing goalposts just in case. If it doesn't work its because the vaccine doesn't work which means we are in trouble but that is not what they are saying. You cant keep a generation locked up that wont suffer just in case and make teachers vaccine priority.

@Delatron

I think most people have enough empathy (and intelligence) to understand just because their children are ok that thousands aren’t? Unless you have been living under a rock and have the news switched off?

My DS1 is actually fine but that didn’t stop me having a cry listening to the stories from mothers taking about how their children have been affected.

But I guess some posters are lacking that empathy gene. And that’s fine. I just know what type of person I’d rather be.

So someone who disagrees with you must lack an empathy gene? I've heard it all now,,,,,

@pinkpip100

Nope I won’t change my mind. My approach is fine. It’s repugnant views on dc mh I have issue with. Only from a few but bad enough.

But @MarshaBradyo, you haven't explained how schools going back now (i.e. immediately after half term) with community infection levels still very high, and without any robust additional measures in place - as many people are demanding - will go anywhere near to addressing the mental health risks for CV/CEV children, who would either have to stay at home or risk serious illness? Surely there is a sensible middle ground here that looks at minimising the harm to all children?

What would make you feel it was ok? Were numbers last term ok, enough to attend?

Are some mitigations ok eg masks and ventilation I’m fine with those, but if classes are being half full is what’s needed then that’s where we are now with many primaries.

Anyway rather than me guessing on someone else’s behalf maybe parents of CEV could say what they’d like to see.

The top 3 groups haven't been fully vaccinated though have they, most of them will have had only one dose

I have empathy by the bucket load.

All I said was that it is nonsense and laughable for people to claim that schools are safe until you have people mixing in them. 😣

Because that statement IS nonsensical.

AND that having some perspective helps. Yes, children are undoubtedly suffering but as a pp said, they aren't been sent down the mines are starving to death in some third world country!

I'm done 😀

@MarshaBradyo

I think many show empathy for the MH of children who are indeed suffering and don't have the I'm alright Jack attitude so everyone else should just get on with it. I tend not to engage much with the tone deaf ones now, it's not worth your effort. Some appear even to get pleasure out of the laughing/comments etc. One day something in life will smack them in the face and make them realise that different people are suffering in different ways and they 'might' just think on it a bit - but I wouldn't hold your breath.

Delatron

Of course but there doesn't seem to be any balance, when in fact many DC cant stand school, have numerous problems with it and are perfectly happy at home.

Many dc don't mind either way and are happy at home also.
Many dc have been deeply concerned and worried about their peers and friends catching covid and see the news or headlines and cant understand why they are in crowds - with no SD. maskless and in a pandemic?

@CarpeVitam Sorry, you’re disagreeing with the fact that many children are suffering from mental health issues? Not with me per se. Thats what we were talking about when @LucyLockdown I think started with the shit of ‘I don’t buy it’. Yet you’re still saying ‘they’re not been sent down mines or starving in third world countries’.

No you’re right they’re not. Why don’t you tell that to all the kids that are struggling? Maybe those suicidal teens will really have a word with themselves once they realise they aren’t starving!
Yes a bit of perspective is what is needed here. Jesus.

However a couple of teachers I know think it will be September!
I'm a teacher and I don't know anything that you don't know, but I will be gobsmacked if we're not back before then!

@CayrolBaaaskin

The research shows teachers and school staff have a lower incidence of Covid than the general population so no need for the personal attacks on this thread. I would like primary schools to go back ASAP.

That’s simply not true.

The new variant doesn't impact the youngest the hardest?

The new variant is more transmissible among the young than the old one. It is not more transmissible among the young than among adults.

@NuttyinNotts

After half term is too soon for the first 4 vaccination groups to have had their first jab and a few weeks form the immune response to kick in. Group 4 of those, 70-75 and working age clinically extremely vulnerable are the vulnerable demographic most likely to mix with primary aged children. This seems unwise to say the least.

Surely those people would be advised to continue shielding so wouldn't make any difference to them?

if CEV staff have to shield still some schools will struggle to staff full schools

@pinkpip100 are you a medic? If not, how do you know that it is extremely rare four paediatricians to use medicines which have not yet been licensed in children? Sometimes the benefits outweigh the risks. It will be very rare in the case of the Covid vaccine as children don't seem to have severe disease. However, it's not that rare for many conditions.

Opening schools too early, coming out of lockdown too early...these things will lead to a rise in cases, and a need to lock down again.
We can't get it wrong again. Surely.

And overall we need a huge investment in mental health support (for adults and youth) involving govt, charities, schools, nhs, CAMHS, families and employers.

Won't the unions get the teachers to submit their forms again to say they won't work as it's unsafe. This is one of the reasons they closed in January. Are all those teachers just going to decide it's ok now.

[quote Belladonna12]**@pinkpip100 are you a medic? If not, how do you know that it is extremely rare four paediatricians to use medicines which have not yet been licensed in children? Sometimes the benefits outweigh the risks. It will be very rare in the case of the Covid vaccine as children don't seem to have severe disease. However, it's not that rare for many conditions.[/quote]
@Belladonna12 not a medic no, just repeating what my dc's paediatrician told me when I asked about this.

@drspouse

The new variant doesn't impact the youngest the hardest?

The new variant is more transmissible among the young than the old one. It is not more transmissible among the young than among adults.

Its not more transmittable at all.

What do you mean, by “Its not more transmittable at all.”? @GabriellaMontez

The info from PHE says that children are not that affected from Covid including the new strain and play a small role in transmission. How come then, that the vaccine stops you getting Covid or get a milder case but you can still transmit it.