Good news for teachers; less so for care workers

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Teachers significantly less likely to die from Covid than their peers.

Social care workers significantly higher, along with other low paid but essential occupations.

That’s ONS statistics btw

Is the actual data somewhere - can anyone link? Would be really interesting if this is also divided by age

Hang on..

Makes sense to me as I think more than 50% of teachers are under 40 and i would think people stay in lower paid work like caring and retail until retirement?

I wouldn't be surprised if a higher number of teachers contract Covid but don't get seriously ill.

ONS official twitter

Ooh! grabs popcorn

March to December.

I'd be interested in a March to may, June and July and then September to December breakdown and comparison.

That's to look at everything for both professions as we also know March to may the schools were very much shut Vs rampant covid in care homes and lack of PPE.

I'd hope to see that care home staff deaths have decreased as the right interventions have been out in. If not questions need to be asked with regards both settings.

@itsgettingweird

March to December.

I'd be interested in a March to may, June and July and then September to December breakdown and comparison.

That's to look at everything for both professions as we also know March to may the schools were very much shut Vs rampant covid in care homes and lack of PPE.

I'd hope to see that care home staff deaths have decreased as the right interventions have been out in. If not questions need to be asked with regards both settings.

I would also like to see this as schools were closed to all except KW and certain year groups from March to June and then the 6 weeks holiday. Would be interesting to see data from Sept to Dec when schools were open as usual.

It’s on the government website, none of it surprises me.

I would hope they only analysed the teacher data for Sept-Dec and represented it accordingly.

How convenient that data from when schools were mostly shut has been included.

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

I would hope they only analysed the teacher data for Sept-Dec and represented it accordingly.

The cynic in me would beer towards the ‘no’ so there’s scientific evidence to prove ‘teachers and schools are safe’.

IDSneighbour it’s adjusted for age.

I'd like to know the rates among SEN teachers compared to the others.

As previous ons data (not for Covid) has shown they're more at risk than mainstream teachers for general infections.

I'd also like to see the data for teaching assistants too.

The statistics actually tell us nothing. All statistics are presented in a way to show what the person wants us to see.

I'm not surprised by those figures.

However I'd expect the breakdown I suggested above will tell a different story. I would hope care workers have the right PPE now and death rates in the industry decreased and I think there would be more deaths of education staff from September until January - even possibly through to this February.

A generalisation doesn't paint a picture or tell an accurate story.

@DinoDora

I'd like to know the rates among SEN teachers compared to the others.

I read something last week which says it's higher.

I'd really not be surprised It's. Sadly.

Me neither. Which is also why I don't understand why government want them open as normal.

I have a child with EHCP and I declined their place. For a start pupils with send are also more likely to have an underlying condition that makes them more vulnerable.

I'd like to know the rates among SEN teachers compared to the others

I read something last week which says it's higher

It is my understanding that SEN teachers/TAs are now being offered the vaccine.

Work in a school. At least 5 up to. Now have had Covid. Also, our staff range in age from 21 to 60 with the majority around the 40 to mid 5O's.

It's good if it's accurate.

I'd like to know differences between SEN school staff and 'general' school staff, EY too. Where is the line between 'care' and schooling when it comes to SEN and EY.

I'd also like to know differences between March - June, September - December.

What we need is something useful as a way of getting schools back while also reducing their role as vectors in a community.

So, if staff were safer from March - June (or June - July might be more accurate even) than Sept - Dec, then there is good reason to look at rotas in schools. 15 children was the max in a class from June - July, and if that is significantly safer than Sept - Dec, then that's the way forward.

The overall picture of the report is 'if you were at home/WFH, you were less likely to die of covid, if you were out at work you were more likely to die of covid', which doesn't really work considering most school staff were not out at work for the majority of the time that the data was being collected.

Hmm, I wonder if this includes TAs, support staff, cleaners, kitchen staff & lunchtime supervisors? The term 'teaching and education professionals' implies that this statistic doesn't include all staff who work in schools otherwise it would state that.

If it doesn't, I'd be very interested to know.

I also think March - Dec covers a considerable length of time when schools were limited to KW / vulnerable children or specific yeargroups. If the majority of the deaths were Sept-Dec, then that doesn't look particularly comforting really does it?

Has it included March-August when schools were closed to all but a few and then averaged the deaths out across the whole 10 months of pandemic so far?
If so it is entirely meaningless when it comes to teacher safety in fully opened schools in a pandemic.
Considering how they fudged ONS stats on teacher infection to look better than it really was I have very little faith in these being a true representation of reality either.

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

I'd like to know the rates among SEN teachers compared to the others

I read something last week which says it's higher

It is my understanding that SEN teachers/TAs are now being offered the vaccine.

They are getting the no show ones. It was argued by a lot of doctors as well as education that nature of work as as much health and social care as education. And previously (eg swine flu) they were vaccinated under this category.

Well in my county anyway!