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Let Vaccinated People Out?

99 replies

cheesey123 · 24/01/2021 16:05

Why don't they say everyone that have been vaccinated can start getting out more & help start the economy back up? Why do they still have to stay in??

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Bluntness100 · 24/01/2021 23:25

Sorry op, unless you’re suggesting we should be putting the elderly to work? Is that how you envisage the economy opening up? Some of them run the bars and the rest drink in them? Like a sort of over eighties club?

indemMUND · 24/01/2021 23:27

If only the vaccine was a get out of jail free card. I'm not being sarcastic. I won't be offered one for a long time. I just wish it was.

Kokeshi123 · 24/01/2021 23:29

The vaccine almost certainly does stop or drastically reduce transmission. If it didn't do so, it would basically.... be different to every other vaccine that has ever existed. I wish people would stop saying "Does not stop transmission"--it' so obvious that this viral myth is going to be circulating around the internet for years as a ready-made excuse for refusing the vaccine.

ChocOrange1 · 24/01/2021 23:31

@Kokeshi123

The vaccine almost certainly does stop or drastically reduce transmission. If it didn't do so, it would basically.... be different to every other vaccine that has ever existed. I wish people would stop saying "Does not stop transmission"--it' so obvious that this viral myth is going to be circulating around the internet for years as a ready-made excuse for refusing the vaccine.
Yes it is SO annoying and unfortunately a product of the press using sound bites or headlines which don't actually represent the truth. So "we don't know yet whether the vaccine will prevent transmission, we are waiting on that data" the headline becomes "Vaccine doesn't stop transmission!"
Kokeshi123 · 24/01/2021 23:32

Once it's been ascertained that the vax stops or drastically reduces transmission, time to start loosening restrictions on the vaccinated. Starting with small stuff, like seeing family. They should keep the masks on in mask areas, however.

There IS a reasonable argument about resentment, but honestly? If we want to address the UK's hellish generational inequality, let's do something constructive, like get rid of the triple locked pension rule (there has already been discussion about doing this). A dog-in-the-manger insistence that "Everyone must stay locked up so that everyone's in an equally shit position" will do further harm to the economy.

DamnYouAutoCatRectal · 24/01/2021 23:32

The vaccines are somewhere between 60-95% effective, several weeks after the second dose. Most vaccinated people are not that far past the second dose, or are only on their first.

At the point when virus levels are low in the community, 90% effectiveness from a vaccine means most of the 10% who do not respond never encounter anyone with the virus, when virus levels are high there is a much bigger chance that 10% will meet someone infectious and become ill.

Herd immunity from vaccination only works when enough people are immune to stop onward spread, because no vaccination is 100% effective and no population has 100% vaccine take up.

Eradication of viruses by vaccination is possible (smallpox), but it takes years of vaccinating most of the population worldwide and concentrated efforts to vaccinate around any clusters.

Measles was almost eradicated in this country, but as it's still endemic in other parts of the world, we have occasional outbreaks because some vaccinated people are not immune and other people are not vaccinated, so there are enough susceptible people for some spread.

The vast majority of the population are not immune to covid, so as soon as anyone abandons social distancing it risks spread between the majority of the population, who are unvaccinated, and the unlucky few for whom the vaccine doesn't work.

QueenOfTheDoubleWide · 24/01/2021 23:37

My understanding is that the vaccine reduces your chances of catching Covid and almost eliminates the chance of getting really sick from it but, if you should be in the unlucky group that catches it you could pass it on despite not being ill.
I think this message needs reinforcing because I live in a retirement area and a lot of the elderly, not the very old but the 70+ relatively fit group seem to think they can go out eating and drinking without regard for anyone else once they get the chance

TheGoogleMum · 24/01/2021 23:44

I agree let the vaccinated out (fully vaccinated with both doses though! And even then not yet, give us all more of a chance to be vaccinated)

ChloeCrocodile · 24/01/2021 23:45

The government won't be able to lift restrictions on part of the population in this way - it would be totally unenforceable and a significant proportion would simply stop complying.

tobee · 24/01/2021 23:59

@JengaJanga

BECAUSE THEY CAN STILL SPREAD IT AND NOT ALL VULNERABLE PEOPLE ARE VACCINATED .... FFS

No! This is not true! They don't know if they can transmit it yet or not! There is not enough data.

Doesn't matter that you wrote it in capitals. It's is still not yet known!

bubblebubblebubbletrouble · 25/01/2021 00:07

Yep - stay at home to save Betty, sacrifice a year of your children's education & time with their friends to protect Betty & the NHS that we've under resourced for the last 10 years, spend the next 20 years paying additional tax in one form or another to pay off the additional pandemic costs incurred to save Betty, but let Betty be first to be vaccinated and then let her go off and do whatever she wants while you still have restrictions in place coz you don't have a vaccination passport.
I just can't see any flaws in this........
Tbh I think it's inevitable if lockdown is ended that the vaccinated will feel invincible - maybe that's why the latest rhetoric is pushing the timeline back 🤷‍♀️

JengaJanga · 25/01/2021 00:34

@tobee
You can still catch it, its been PROVEN!!!!!
Still catch it and still DIE !!!!!!

tobee · 25/01/2021 00:36

Show me a link saying that you can! After both doses. And a fortnight for the response to build.

tobee · 25/01/2021 00:38

it's the transmission bit I want you to link especially.

Do you think your capital letters make you more likely to be believed?

Btw I'm assuming you mean everybody? Not just immunosuppressed people who don't get a response?

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 25/01/2021 00:40

@cheesey123

Why don't they say everyone that have been vaccinated can start getting out more & help start the economy back up? Why do they still have to stay in??
They still have no protection until the antibodies have built up. So three weeks or more.

We don't know for sure that they can't still transmit the virus. So need to follow the same rules as everyone else.

Most of them at the moment are 80+ years old so probably not working or wanting to go night clubbing anyway Grin

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 25/01/2021 00:44

[quote JengaJanga]@tobee
You can still catch it, its been PROVEN!!!!!
Still catch it and still DIE !!!!!![/quote]
There is no proof you can still transmit it. Like there is no proof you won't transmist it either.

There is growing evidence that it may reduce transmission but still early days.

tobee · 25/01/2021 00:46

Why do people write like that?

DIE!!!!!

Changechangychange · 25/01/2021 00:46

@tobee

Show me a link saying that you can! After both doses. And a fortnight for the response to build.
The best figures are 95% reduction in mortality after two doses. That still leaves 1/20 of the deaths that would have occurred, still occurring....

We’ve been having about 1500 deaths per day, you’d expect that to drop to 1500/20 = 75 deaths a day, all other things being equal (obviously you hope transmission also falls so you would be getting fewer cases as well). Far better, but not actually zero. You’d need 100% efficacy for that, and none of the vaccines are claiming that.

tobee · 25/01/2021 00:49

Sorry as I said in my follow up post, my initial query, to which JengaJanga was responding, was about transmission. Not the susceptibility to the illness to the vaccinated.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 25/01/2021 00:50

@tobee

Why do people write like that?

DIE!!!!!

Drama
tobee · 25/01/2021 00:50

We still have not got data about sterilising immunity

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 25/01/2021 00:53

Changechangychange

Well I appreciate reading your mathematical response. Even if it wasn't required Smile

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 25/01/2021 00:54

@tobee

We still have not got data about sterilising immunity
What is sterilising immunity?
JengaJanga · 25/01/2021 00:57

People have had both doses and been longer than 14 days and have died!!!

How is that drama????

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