Let Vaccinated People Out?

[cheesey123]

Why don't they say everyone that have been vaccinated can start getting out more & help start the economy back up? Why do they still have to stay in??

I’ll never understand the mentality of people who ask questions in a forum when they could just Google the answer.

A good idea - yes you can spread it but not to the extent an unvaccinated person can surely - it would be just if you carried it on your hands etc?

It might also encourage people to have the jab which has to be good.

• fully vaccinated people obviously - ie 2 jabs

@PaddyF0dder

I’ll never understand the mentality of people who ask questions in a forum when they could just Google the answer.

Is this forum free for everyone to use!! Yeah thought so! So if I want to post something that YOU don't like then I will!! I don't understand when people read things they don't like & it annoys them why they don't just scroll past instead of commenting 🙄

I agree OP but I think it's because the resentment against the vaccinated would be so huge there'd be social unrest / riots.

The younger population have just sacrificed their businesses, mental health, kids education and happiness to protect the elderly, so if they had to watch the vaccinated elderly off having fun while they were left picking up the pieces of their shattered lives - well I think there'd be uncontrollable anger.

It made a lot of folks angry when the news reported this week that there had been a massive increase in over 70s booking holidays, when the non-boomers have neither the money nor the freedom to go on holiday.

So they've had to come up with the "vaccines don't mean an end to restrictions" as a way of controlling people's anger.

Because most people haven't had their 2nd dose, so aren't fully protected by the vaccine yet, current schedule is 2nd dose after 11-12 weeks and then you need to give it at least another week after that, maybe 2 to be sure. If someone received the vaccine today then in 13/14 weeks (25th April to 1st May) would be when it would be at full effect.

And vaccinated people could still transmit the virus too ...

A lot of disinformation on this thread. We don't know whether vaccinated people can transmit or not and the likelihood is they can't. Fair enough they're being cautious until the evidence is there but there could well be scope for what the op is suggesting in a relatively short time.

Totally get where you're coming from OP, but I think it's fair for everyone to wait until those who want the vaccine, can have been offered it. Some restrictions will be lifted in the coming months, but if there's a reasonable amount that don't take up the vaccine and we can't get back to a degree of normality, then perhaps that's the point when your suggestion might have to happen.

I dont think they are stupid ChocOrange1 they are nurses! They expected some level of efficacy after at least 3 weeks and several are down with it.

Putting aside the uncertainty about the extent of vaccination protection/ability to still transmit it - it would be really difficult to enforce. Would you have cafes open asking for proof of vaccination on the door?

@Llamapolice

A lot of disinformation on this thread. We don't know whether vaccinated people can transmit or not and the likelihood is they can't. Fair enough they're being cautious until the evidence is there but there could well be scope for what the op is suggesting in a relatively short time.

Agree

As many many have already said, they can still catch it and transmit it, they hopefully should not be so ill they need hospitalisation or die.

It would be good if it worked like that but for the moment the thinking is that it doesn't. Plus the 'policing' of such a system would be a nightmare.

*Betty ... has booked a holiday to Lourdes. She doesnt really think about infecting her carer with coronavirus as all that matters is she wont be affected by the virus." If Betty can get herself on holiday to Lourdes she is very unlikely to have a carer (other than DP or DD)

@MereDinto ..... really? That's what you took out of that whole thing ..... really?

...because then you would look out of your window and think you had suddenly moved to Eastbourne, or maybe someone was filming a zombie movie

I think the main reason is that there would be riots!

As pps have said, just imagine if the people for whose benefit we’ve all locked down for so long were all allowed back to their normal lives. People would start clamouring for vaccines too, whereas most are being pretty good about it right now.

Most of the people vaccinated already are either already working (NHS) or well out of the working population (elderly).

Also with the delayed second dose how many people are fully vaccinated including the 2 weeks after the second shot?

Why so everyone else can stay in for much longer while those who we gave up our lives, and often jobs for can now gad about. If the vulnerable where told that it was unfair to expect them to shield while we got on with it, they can wait it out now.

Nope as now they are saying oh well you might still transmit it
Not really understanding why we are bothering to vaccinate tbh

I’m not sure where you’re expecting millions of over eighties to go op or how you expect them to open up the economy?

Plus the majority have only had one dose. So they still have a risk.

BECAUSE THEY CAN STILL SPREAD IT AND NOT ALL VULNERABLE PEOPLE ARE VACCINATED .... FFS

Have you been watching the news? Reading the papers? Surfing the internet?

The vaccinated have to stay in for three weeks anyway after the first jab, even then it’s not known if they can still transmit it, and most need the second jab to ramp up effectiveness, and that’s three months after the first ones, plus they are not actually sure how long the vaccination will last

Added to which cohort 1 are care homes, where would they be going to! Added to which nowhere is open anyway

Until something like 80% are vaccinated there won’t be any form of herd immunity, and even then it’s likely an annual jab will be required

I think once the vulnerable are done. And vaccinating the over fifties that’s when restrictions will lift

It’s not about anger, it’s about the risk to public health and the ability of the nhs to cope

From what’s being said, it also looks like Boris wants this to be the last lockdown, so he’d rather go for a longer stretch now, rather than release and have to go to lock down four.

I reckon April May time.,

Added to which nowhere is open anyway

Yes, this is what’s confusing me about the ops post. I’m not sure how she’s expecting the elderly to open up the economy. Whose going to be running the shops, bars and cinemas for these sprightly eighty year olds to go into?