The teacher who died just after Christmas.

[Breastfeedingworries]

Good morning all,

Not sure if if this was posted about at the time as I didn’t see the thread.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-family-of-teacher-who-died-with-coronavirus-say-school-staff-must-be-priority-for-vaccination-12195441

Why aren’t we vaccinating teachers? Is there a petition online?

Can we as a MN massive do something’s about this.

[quote Nicknacky]@manicinsomniac But that’s the point. If there is doses that are getting thrown out anyway then it’s better they get put in the arm of anyone, regardless of need.[/quote]
Exactly. The more people are vaccinated, the less risk the rest of us have of getting it. That random person who happened to be lucky enough to get the chance of an early vaccine that would otherwise have been binned, might well be the person who would otherwise have got Covid in a month's time and passed it on to me, or you, or someone vulnerable.

@Coyoacan

Interesting. Just by comparison, without knowing if one strategy is better than another, here in Mexico schools will only open once the epidemic is totally under control, on a state by state basis. We have one state where schools are going to open and all the teachers are being vaccinated this weekend in preparation for it.

That sounds what we should be aiming for, only opening schools when it’s safe to do so. It’s what you’d expect parents to want rather than back in for childcare reasons.

It is all very well people saying we should be vaccinating the vulnerable but very often it is people like teachers, supermarket workers, paramedics and policeman who are being made to work through this whereas the vulnerable could stay at home for a few more weeks until front line workers were vaccinated. As this guy was only 55 and fit and healthy it is not acceptable to say he was any less in danger of getting ill and dying than an 80 year old who does not go anywhere. Tragic.

@saraclara Exactly, which is why the police federations are pushing for officers to get left over vaccines, as they are dealing with medically vulnerable people daily.

It’s not just about the officers own health.

Groups 1-9 are set now, as they should be. It should include all vulnerable school staff. (All staff over 50 & younger who are CEV/CV)

Under 50's with no underlying issues are ALL being evaluated and the second phase list will be published in due course. It won't be just health based, it will be occupation other factors. They will take a lot of things into consideration I imagine teachers will be at or very near the top of the list, but there will be a LOT of people in that band so I imagine it'll be something like

40+ Teachers/nursery staff/childminders/police/retail/bus drivers/foster carers/other essential& caring people. Whoever else has petitioned well
29-40 as above
40+
30+
20+
Whatever younger age group they've decided it's safe for by then

But even if they phoned a police station, you've surely got time delay problems too - who needs it most, who can be spared from the station, who came into work in a car rather than on foot etc. It wouldn't be instant there either

@manicinsomniac How on earth do you think the police get to emergencies within minutes? Do you think they piss about phoning people to see who’s free?

There is already a system where one phone call leads to dispatchers immediately identifying anyone free from a job, on break, or in the office doing paperwork gets in their police vehicle and drives to wherever they’re directed. If it’s staff not on reactive they have a car park full of unmarked cars, or they can load people into a van.

They don’t need any of the fannying about you mention. It is about as instant as you can get.

Whereas your example of sheltered housing- someone has to access a list of phone numbers, then phone down the list to find people who are available to go- not quarantining, aren’t out doing their shopping, and have the means to get there. Then, knowing my mum’s demographic, they don’t just leave, they have to get dressed, find their glasses and house keys, check the cooker is off, shut the windows, lock up, and get to wherever. It isn’t always a local go either, it’s more likely to be a hub they aren’t familiar with, and isn’t in walking distance.

@Breastfeedingworries, do you happen to know how many transport workers have sadly died since March? Police? NHS?

To add, the reason the police are at the front of the queue in this way as it was already tried when mass testing came into play.

They tried offering spare capacity to other groups, including NHS, but the police where the only ones who could access personnel details out of hours, and get staff directed to testing centres in a timely manner.

So they know that system works, which is why it is the first to be utilised rather than attempt bringing in other groups where the contact system isn’t tried and tested.

Like I said, this has all been thought about!