Can we unlock the schools at start of Feb?

[MeandT]

I'm totally supportive of the lockdown BUT by the end of next week, case numbers nationally will be the same as they were at end of November. Hospital admissions are falling again.

Rather than going back into tiers with the shops and food pubs open (where all the spreading happened in December), can we not issue all the teachers with N95 masks (and vaccines for the clinically vulnerable), make all the kids wear triple layer face masks all the time, and just get on with the important job of educating this country's kids in person? Starting again 1st of Feb.

AIBU to ask if we can send the kids back as soon as we hit the case rate we unlocked at on 2nd December?

IABU= no way, the cases will shoot up too quickly again, even if they all wear masks all day.

IANBU = yes, get them back before half term, the only reason it went nuts in December was because everyone was out Christmas shopping and seeing family.

I dont think they wanted mask wearing in schools and then complained about windows being open.

They just wanted things to go back to 'normal' thinking that this covid period would end.

However, all groups need to be careful on Twitter as deleted tweets often come back to haunt the original tweeter.

If U4T started apologising for some of those tweets that would be at least be a step in the right direction.

They just wanted things to go back to 'normal' thinking that this covid period would end.

They’re a Great Barrington Declaration lot posing as a grassroots parenting organisation.

It’s why they always say that vulnerable kids/kids with vulnerable families should stay at home.

“Not a political group”

Sir Graham Brady is on the Tory Covid Recovery Group which is another lockdown sceptics group.

Us4Them released a joint statement at Christmas with Time for recovery (which another astroturfer was trying to promote on here) who are also lockdown sceptics.

But I’m sure it’s really all about concern for the kids.

It never ends.

If the schools are fully reopen with the transmission rate and deaths still being so high, we’ll be back to square one and the lockdown will continue.
Groups like ‘usforthem’ never come up with solutions just sound bites.

When schools do reopen, it will need to be when the NHS isn’t struggling for ICU beds and 000’s of deaths recorded each day. We’ll need to be much further on with the vaccination programme and perhaps to start with schools reopen on a rota so class sizes are small and everyone, teachers and children (primary upwards) wearing masks.

The CRG. From the same people who brought you the ERG.

They dont like poor people much. I don't trust the hard right of the tory party as far as i can throw them.

They would happily throw you under a bus. Perhaps one with £350 million written on the side even.

[quote Emmie2021]Email your MPs

usforthem.co.uk/take-action/contact-your-mp/[/quote]
You are joking?

I think the phrase in 2016 was 'whats the plan stand'

What alternative plan do the CRG have to the situation we find ourselves in right now.

Or have they failed to think it through and have just got a nice slogan and a vague idea that people dont like something so they are going to wind people up, and then say we just have to do this without thought to real world impact on lives and the economy.

This lot are a fucking car crash.

If they are, I’m not laughing.

• 'what's the plan Stan'

Even.

What alternative plan do the CRG have to the situation we find ourselves in right now

Lock the vulnerable in a shed and go to the pub.

@noblegiraffe

What alternative plan do the CRG have to the situation we find ourselves in right now

Lock the vulnerable in a shed and go to the pub.

That's not a plan.

Thats contempt.

There are studies showing schools weren't though to. Many just as reputable as sage.

Generally not conducted in England. Studies from other countries are less helpful because they actually implemented mitigation measures.

Looking at what is going on with the infection rates of the kids in our own country is the only sensible thing to do.

Unless you’re looking to cherry pick, of course.

There are studies showing schools weren't though to. Many just as reputable as sage.

I’m interested in seeing some and would grateful if someone wouldn’t mind linking them. Interested in ones that looked at transmission In schools once they were back full time in the autumn and U.K. based.

There are studies showing schools weren't though to. Many just as reputable as sage.

Don't be silly. Why would children not catch it in a close-contact, non-socially distanced, unmasked, poorly ventilated mass group gathering?

Because they’re all facing forward, Lucy!

According to the Deputy Chief Medical Officer.

@noblegiraffe

“Not a political group”

Sir Graham Brady is on the Tory Covid Recovery Group which is another lockdown sceptics group.

Us4Them released a joint statement at Christmas with Time for recovery (which another astroturfer was trying to promote on here) who are also lockdown sceptics.

But I’m sure it’s really all about concern for the kids.

So basically a bunch of toffs/intellectual wannabes who want everyone to do as they are told as Great Barrington/U4T know best.

Even the WHO has described their ideas as being scientifically and ethically problematic. They are not rated by Valance or Whitty either. Nor Fauci who said it was very dangerous.

Why do people want to associate with such a group? Even the town of Great Barrington hates the group using its name.

Is that where the Great in Great Barrington declaration comes from? I always assumed they were blowing their own trumpet

Downstairs

Cite me one study that didn’t come from the U.K. during lockdown or countries with small distances classes. Just one.

Or preferably for impartiality many studies as those that say kids spread it,

It went from bats and/or pangolins to humans then to minks, but we still believe kids don’t spread it.

Madness.

Us for them have many political ties

bylinetimes.com/2021/01/21/parents-campaign-against-school-closures-receives-pr-support-from-boris-johnson-advisor/

Advised by Boris’s old PR guru, links to the hard nut CRG Tories, access to Tory Robert Halfon, links to Great Barrington (which itself has links to climate deniers and Trump backers), constantly sharing fake news and stats on social media, most recently about South Africa, to justify their warped views, a huge amount of funds and exposure for a supposed grassroots campaign, links to staff of no 10.

It raised questions to be sure.

They’re like the evil hate child of Voldermort and Dolores Umbridge.

@oghty but other workers have a right to ppe and distancing. Teachers and pupils don’t.

Disappointed no studies have been linked yet. I find it pays to be open minded and really want to see the ones the poster referred to.

Given we’ve woken up to school return being headline in the BBC I think these studies that have been referred to are really important and it’s vital people see them to put minds at rest.

Us for them and their political connections are very concerning to say the least, I consider their pushing for full return in September with no social distancing to have significantly contributed to us in having one of the highest death rates in the world so we really are talking indeed and death and total transparency regarding the data is needed at this point when we are in a critical situation with hospitals.

My friend is a nurse who has just gone to work after Covid to find a temporary morgue in the car park at the hospital in her town and army personnel on the wards plus a significant number of those who are currently inpatients to be in younger age brackets now, ie. parents of school age children. So I ask again, please could someone link these studies, no good saying they exist- I can say I saw a Dodo which doesn’t make it real. We need to see them.