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Doom and gloom. ENDLESS

200 replies

Florelei · 20/01/2021 10:07

I have had enough of all this doom. Just when you think there might be a bit of hope you see headlines such as ‘the vaccine won’t work’ ‘mutant strains’ and what has actually TIPPED ME OVER THE EDGE TODAY ‘lockdown until June’

WHAT ON EARTH.

How can we be locked in our homes and isolated for six months when we are vaccinating over 200k a day AND lots more are getting immunity through recovery from infection.

I understand things are bad and I have always done everything I can to protect the vulnerable but seriously we can’t be locked in our homes until June can we?

Can anyone talk some sense into me please because I feel like going into my garden and lying on my lawn screaming.

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LetItGoGo · 20/01/2021 13:17

Oh and there another vaccines on order due for delivery in a few weeks and yet more awaiting approval with millions already ordered by the UK government.

KeepWashingThoseHands · 20/01/2021 13:18

I’m holding on to the fact it was sunny last March so only a few weeks to go. (Hopefully clutching at straws!). This time is worse for many reasons, the weather being one. Realise not everyone has a garden but not walking in the pissing rain and wind and endless darkness is a start.

Littlewhitedove2 · 20/01/2021 13:19

@OwMyNeck

One day this will end and in future years we will realise how much worse the long term implications of these restrictions have been

Or more likely we will look back and realise how much worse it would have been without restrictions.

No, I don’t think so. Death figures and reporting of new cases are all counted and reported in a specific way. Very controlled. This will only come out in future years
OwMyNeck · 20/01/2021 13:29

No, I don’t think so. Death figures and reporting of new cases are all counted and reported in a specific way. Very controlled. This will only come out in future years

Yes, once we model how things could have been if we hadn't had restrictions to save lives, we will realise that the restrictions were necessary.

You do understand that the reason we only have 80,000 plus people dead and not many times that is because of the restrictions, yes?

CoronaIsWatching · 20/01/2021 13:30

Well at least you have a garden, you're not suffering as badly in this pandemic as people who live in a flat like me

bunny85 · 20/01/2021 13:30

Oh apologies this link is from last year, I didn't realise. Phewww (sigh of relief!)

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/01/2021 13:34

Just read the Guardian link (so shoot me now Grin)
According to the dreaded Neil Ferguson "a huge infrastructure of testing and contact tracing would need to be in place in order for the lockdown to be lifted without further peaks"

Looks like all our problems are over then; after all the government's bound to have sorted out T&T since last summer ... aren't they?? Wink

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/01/2021 13:38

Once we model how things could have been if we hadn't had restrictions to save lives, we will realise that the restrictions were necessary

Ironically, I agree; if that's what they want the model to show then such a model will doubtless be produced

And FWIW I'm certainly not sugggesting that no restrictions are necessary - only that the stats will be manipulated according to what suits

OwMyNeck · 20/01/2021 13:48

Ironically, I agree; if that's what they want the model to show then such a model will doubtless be produced

Are you saying that if the modelling agrees with you its correct, but if it doesn't someone made it up to suit?

tarapinn · 20/01/2021 13:49

It is totally crap but I don't feel like lives have been on hold for a year.

Last summer we visited family, went to Thorpe Park, shopped, ate out, had friends over for bbq's and went to Cornwall for a week. DC were back in school from September and they had hockey club etc going on. Had friends over (rule of six) and ate at McDonald's Sad

I don't get why so many other people did none of this kind of thing when they could.

rumandbiscuits · 20/01/2021 13:52

It's so depressing isn't it Sad I've been trying my best to keep positive through all of this and not overreact or buy into the terror the media have been feeding us since last year but recently I'm finding that a lot harder to do. I just feel like bursting into tears. This gloomy weather doesn't help! We need some sunshine!!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/01/2021 13:55

Are you saying that if the modelling agrees with you its correct, but if it doesn't someone made it up to suit?

Where have I ever said (or even suggested) that, OwMyNeck?

Like so much else it's just modelling - something of a guess in a way - and whether I happen to agree is really quite irrelevant
My point was never about whether it's right or wrong, simply that it can change according to what suits

Thewiseoneincognito · 20/01/2021 14:02

January was a horrendous month in the old world, it’s even more depressing in this new world. I’m resigning myself to the belief that his is our lives going forward.

The only way around it is to literally double our hospital capacity and have a vocation purely of covid nursing and doctors. Then we can go about our lives with some semblance of normalcy but the medical system will be able to cope with the extreme burden covid brings just without the lockdowns. I think we are slowly being drip fed the news that the vaccines are redundant.

Thewiseoneincognito · 20/01/2021 14:05

@tarapinn I think if people were like me they just felt it wasn’t right to be doing those things taking an unnecessary risk even bough it was ‘deemed’ safe to do so at the time. Perhaps this year will be different and more people will be willing to live dangerously a little more? Who knows.

The alternative is another year of bleakness.

TempsPerdu · 20/01/2021 14:05

Last summer we visited family, went to Thorpe Park, shopped, ate out, had friends over for bbq's and went to Cornwall for a week. DC were back in school from September and they had hockey club etc going on. Had friends over (rule of six) and ate at McDonald's

I did all of that and more over the summer tbh (including my fair share of afternoons clambering round a soft play with DD!) and still felt restricted and claustrophobic due to all the planning ahead, sanitising and lack of spontaneity. Certainly nowhere near normal.

Much better than now though, admittedly! Grin

LetItGoGo · 20/01/2021 14:06

Vaccines redundant? In what way?

The flu jab gets rejigged annually plus it's not very effective in some older individuals (which the covid 19 vaccines have been surprisingly good at!) And it's still not been deemed "redundant" as it saves lives and hospital beds hence why government's spend on it.

Sharww · 20/01/2021 14:10

@tarapinn

It is totally crap but I don't feel like lives have been on hold for a year.

Last summer we visited family, went to Thorpe Park, shopped, ate out, had friends over for bbq's and went to Cornwall for a week. DC were back in school from September and they had hockey club etc going on. Had friends over (rule of six) and ate at McDonald's Sad

I don't get why so many other people did none of this kind of thing when they could.

Might have been because people couldn’t afford to do the things you did (every last one of those costs money, barring maybe a barbecue if you get people to chip in), they were working flat out, struggling with their mental health and unable to face people, too anxious and afraid to go right back to living a normal life in the middle of a pandemic, don’t have a family or wide group of friends, were dealing with health issues caused by either covid or the lockdown itself...

Any number of reasons, really. Use a little imagination.

Thewiseoneincognito · 20/01/2021 14:11

@LetItGoGo very true about the flu jab, the main difference is the flu doesn’t cause lockdowns every time it mutates. This is a whole other game. We will have to rejab everyone with each mutation, so yes you may be slightly immune to one strain but have zero immunity for another.

LetItGoGo · 20/01/2021 14:14

Why would that be after a year or two of exposure and vaccination? I don't see that logic at all. Look to the other circulating human coronaviruses for a view on what might happen imho.

Littlewhitedove2 · 20/01/2021 14:16

@OwMyNeck

No, I don’t think so. Death figures and reporting of new cases are all counted and reported in a specific way. Very controlled. This will only come out in future years

Yes, once we model how things could have been if we hadn't had restrictions to save lives, we will realise that the restrictions were necessary.

You do understand that the reason we only have 80,000 plus people dead and not many times that is because of the restrictions, yes?

No, what I understand is that death figures haven’t been reported correctly during this last year, and the fear campaign has been extremely manipulative and clever. Of course, some restrictions have always been necessary, but the utter crap we have been served this past year (in terms of failed restrictions, border controls and awful manipulative mainstream news reporting betters belief. This will only be made clear and obis to the wider public in later years.
Mousehole10 · 20/01/2021 14:17

@tarapinn

It is totally crap but I don't feel like lives have been on hold for a year.

Last summer we visited family, went to Thorpe Park, shopped, ate out, had friends over for bbq's and went to Cornwall for a week. DC were back in school from September and they had hockey club etc going on. Had friends over (rule of six) and ate at McDonald's Sad

I don't get why so many other people did none of this kind of thing when they could.

Some people have had harsher restrictions throughout summer. Others are vulnerable and couldn’t are the chance. Some people have relatives in other countries. For me, it was because we had a baby in July so couldn’t do much with a new born baby. Our house isn’t big enough yo social distance so couldn’t have people round (remember you were supposed to stay 2m apart inside even with the rule of 6?), not everyone has large enough houses to be able to stay 2m apart. Great that you had a normal summer but not everyone did.
LetItGoGo · 20/01/2021 14:21

My mother's generation were NOT so badly affected by the 2009 swine flu because it was similar to one they'd been exposed to years earlier.

Already positive news today that the current Pfizer works against recent UK variant.

Why choose to be irrationally depressed over the science?

Catty1720 · 20/01/2021 14:26

@LetItGoGo is right.I believe The flu does this every year so they knew there would be other strains. It’s hard but hang in there I really do believe come Easter things will look very different

herecomesthsun · 20/01/2021 14:37

@Thewiseoneincognito

January was a horrendous month in the old world, it’s even more depressing in this new world. I’m resigning myself to the belief that his is our lives going forward.

The only way around it is to literally double our hospital capacity and have a vocation purely of covid nursing and doctors. Then we can go about our lives with some semblance of normalcy but the medical system will be able to cope with the extreme burden covid brings just without the lockdowns. I think we are slowly being drip fed the news that the vaccines are redundant.

We need to expand into health and education, so we have the capacity and space we need in hospitals, and the space and distancing we need to keep schools going.
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