Woman kicked out of Sainsbury’s

[Givemeabreak88]

I don’t know if this has been posted already but I posted the other day about how to prove face mask exemptions and basically got told they can’t ask for proof well it seems that is wrong and they can ask you what your disability is and ask for proof.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/13776780/shopper-kicked-out-sainsburys-face-mask-covid/amp/

It's not a stigma at all. It's a simple way of avoiding stress and arguments in supermarkets. Don't be a drama llama

@WouldBeGood

Lots of vile people on here.

Yup.

I nearly reported one of your previous posts before I realised you were being satirical. So hard to tell the difference these days because so many people now really actually hold those kinds of views.

Hairy times.

Oh god, @LangClegsInSpace! Yes, it’s bonkers.

@WouldBeGood

Stigmatising people for differences had been done across many societies and is awful. I’d hoped we were better than that.

Done properly it isn't stigmatising though.

Because of the selfishness of other people there needs to be a system where people can carry a recognised exemption card approved by an HCA. Just stating exempt - identical for someone with neuralgia, migraine, COPD, PTSD, sexual assault survivor or whatever reason means you genuinely cannot wear a mask.

You need to prove disability for reasonable adjustments at uni work etc, so I don't think it's heinous to apply in this context

[quote WouldBeGood]@Doyouavocado you don’t see any grim historical echoes from that?[/quote]
What point are you trying to make here, and do you really think this is appropriate? If you’re trying to make some kind of misguided Holocaust reference, come out and say it bluntly so we can report this.

Absolutely disgusting thing to say—an “I have an exemption” card is essentially what those you use disabled car parking spaces have. It’s not some tool of nazi control, and to try to compare this to the suffering and death of millions of people is just vile. And it’s not clever either, these sort of stupid analogies do not make anyone look good.

Of course the minority of people who genuinely medically cannot wear a mask should be accommodated, but the majority of people claiming they can't (especially political anti-maskers and Covid conspiracy theorists like most people who make videos or go to the press about 'their rights') are just flat out lying for their own agenda.

Ableism is a very real evil, but not wearing a mask when you're capable of wearing one, and abusing and exploiting disabled rights laws which disabled people fought hard to win, is 100% ableism.

As a disabled and clinically vulnerable person who can't afford not to go to work and has to take public transport for essential medical appointments, someone not wearing a mask when they can actively puts me in danger. I consider that to be very ableist.

@Doyouavocado

The people exempt should have a photo pass thing to wear round their necks, problem solved and no questions need to be asked.

'a photo pass thing'

Can you explain the steps that someone would have to go through to get 'a photo pass thing' and can you explain the systems that would have to be put in place in order to verify the 'photo pass thing'?

Bonus points if you can demonstrate how such a system would comply with domestic equality and data protection laws and international human rights law.

None of this is impossible but it's a bit more complicated than just 'make them show a photo pass'.

Whether any of this is desireable or sensible is another matter altogether.

@Redburnett

The answer is simple, wear a mask or do not go shopping and potentially expose others to the virus if you have it and are asymptomatic. Exemptions are irrelevant. Get someone else to shop for you, get a delivery, order stuff online such as ready meals etc etc. The key issue is preventing the spread of the virus.

The mumsnet police. If a law doesn't exist then just make one up.

@FraggleShingleBellRock

All the people that say I should have to show proof I am exempt from wearing a mask.....

..... I didn't keep any proof that a family friend crept into my childhood bedroom and pushed me face first first against the wall with his big fat hand over my mouth, so he could force my nighty up, tear my knickers down and penetrate me from behind.

What proof of that would you have me give to a customer service agent at Asda entrance? The police report? The printed paragraph from above? The report my psychiatrist gave me after 26 weeks of intensive therapy that saved my life? A diagnosis list that shows that repeated rapes left me dealing with ptsd, bipolar, chronic insomnia, a very real phobia of my face being covered etc? Or should I just show them the self harm scars? Maybe I could engrave "exempt" into my thigh for you all? Could show them puncture marks from the blood tests I've had to have today as despite the therapy, 30 years on, I still drink too much as I'm terrified to sleep.

Or maybe you could all fuck off with your hate.

Seriously, no need- firstly you should have put a trigger warning, secondly the amount of people in your situation compared to the pisstakers is small. If you've had treatment your doctor could provide an exempt certificate as they should be doing for anyone who can't wear a mask and you wouldn't have to explain anything. People don't hate the genuinely exempt they hate the liars. The govt should have sorted exemption cards from the start.

As a disabled and clinically vulnerable person who can't afford not to go to work and has to take public transport for essential medical appointments, someone not wearing a mask when they can actively puts me in danger.

Everyone you share public transport with actively puts you in danger and you also actively put them in danger. Masks mitigate the risk by a small amount, that's all.

But that small risk everyday becomes a big risk every week or month. People owe it to everyone around them to reduce it if they can.

I put that badly but hopefully you get what I kean

Mean even. Grrr

Because of the selfishness of other people there needs to be a system where people can carry a recognised exemption card approved by an HCA. Just stating exempt - identical for someone with neuralgia, migraine, COPD, PTSD, sexual assault survivor or whatever reason means you genuinely cannot wear a mask.

In principle I wouldn't be against that; in essence it's a similar system to the Blue Badge one. But the trouble is that it would require an awful lot of time from NHS staff, and spare NHS time is not a luxury we have, or will have for the foreseeable future. So what's the answer?

Right now, if you can't wear a mask, don't go into a shop.

Completely impractical, and to be honest it wouldn't make much if any difference to virus spread anyway.

People who are exempt should not have to “explain” anything! It is not anyone’s business what their issues are. That is not just my opinion but is actually in line with government guidance.

I’m genuinely horrified at many of the responses on here. I believe many of you desire some sort of totalitarian state as you seem to have absolutely no regard to people’s rights or indeed any understanding of how it feels to have hidden disabilities.

People who are exempt should not have to “explain” anything!

Why not? If people request a blue badge they’re expected to provide evidence of disability; if they wish to claim sickness-related benefits they need to have medical proof that they are indeed sick; if they wish to access a specialist charity’s services they’ll be expected to explain their need for the these; if they would like their employer’s support in the workplace they will need to explain their needs and how things can be best adapted.

Whilst I understand that it’s difficult to impossible to implement a system which provides everyone with evidence of an exemption, I’m bemused at the idea that it’s outrageous to ever require people to explain or provide proof.

@ComtesseDeSpair, in all of those situations people are explaining their situation to people who have a duty of confidentiality. That doesn't apply to random shop assistants and security guards, or indeed other shoppers in the vicinity who are busy earwigging.

@Mookie81

Who should Fraggle give the trigger warning to when she turns up at the supermarket? The security guard? Customer services? Everyone's demanding that The Genuinely Exempt™ explain themselves but it's all a bit uncomfortable when they do.

Most survivors of abuse have told nobody. They don't have handy notes on their GP records, even if their GPs had the time to dig them out, which they really really don't.

People absolutely do hate The Genuinely Exempt™. They don't give a shit what people who are unable to wear a mask are made to go through just as long as A Liar doesn't get away with it.

Same shit as always.

If you genuinely think it’s okay for “Doris in Sainsbury’s” to ask for such information at the door (which is completely different to a faceless local government employee whom a person CHOOSES to disclose private information to if they want a blue badge) then I am genuinely appalled at your lack of understanding and humanity.

I don't understand why this is even an issue since it could be solved so easily. We already have blue badges and everyone knows the rules regarding them. You want to park in a disabled bay then you need to provide proof of having a disability with a blue badge.

No one is asking for an in depth history or your life story. The law needs to be clearer i.e. you must wear a mask in supermarkets and on public transport unless you can provide proof that you are exempt. GPs or the government could provide a photo ID card similar to a driving licence.

If that happened I guarantee about 90% of the people wandering around without masks would suddenly be begrudgingly wearing them, because while we all know there are genuine people out there we know most people just can't be bothered.

Tbh I'd really love to know where you all live where there is supposedly such a high number of mask refusers. I've genuinely hardly seen anyone not wearing one.

I really envy people who have nothing more to worry about than whether or not someone is wearing a mask in the supermarket. When most people are wearing them anyway.

The amount of bureaucracy and costs involved aside, I doubt some sort of card system would work. We all know how genuine blue badge holders get verbal abuse if they are not in wheelchairs so I therefore doubt a card would be any different.

Haters gotta hate.

My empathy and humanity is generally lacking, I’d be the first to agree, so we needn’t argue that point. Mostly, I don’t think people who show a flowery lanyard and politely state they have a physical or mental health exemption are being refused entry to supermarkets. The woman who was kicked out of Sainsbury’s was, as the article states, rude to staff, refused to state whether she did or didn’t have a valid exemption, and had a social media profile where she described herself as an anti-masker. That’s why she was kicked out, so the whole idea that genuinely ill people are being picked on is incorrect anyway. It’s really a non-story.

Good for the coppers.

The woman is an arse.