417 dead

[Standandwait]

417 people under 40 have died of CV in hospital in England from when the pandemic began to Jan 16, according to the NHS. Another 4,081 under 60 have died.

This is out of 60,921 total deaths NHS England recorded; by comparison, gov.uk counts 89,261 deaths total in England to Jan. 17, but they don’t break it down by age group. The quickest glance at deaths in care homes suggests those basically explain the difference in the two totals. I assume it's possible to come up with comparable figures for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, too -- I just happen to live in England and got tired.

Lord knows, I'm not looking to "kill granny." I have a lot of dearly beloved family over 80, and am closer than not to 60. I also have a disabled child, which means I know not only him but many other very vulnerable families. I have followed lockdown rules quite faithfully, myself.

But I really, really am beginning to have grave reservations about locking down again and again. If you feel otherwise, please talk me around.

Grannies die. It’s a fact of life and the natural movement of life.

And when more women die from birthing complications due to lack of medical resources we can just shrug our shoulders and say ”Women die in childbirth. It’s a fact of life and the natural movement of life.”

@TransplantedScouser Everyone dies eventually, doesn’t mean it’s ok to go round killing people.

no it doesn't

But if lockdown is to protect the NHS - the best protection for the NHS is to vaccinate the 50/60 year olds first.

My wife was working last night, of the 11 ICU beds 8 of them had under 40s, in the last few days they have had 2 healthy 22 year old die, they had to deliver a baby prematurely because the 31 year old mum had multiple organ failure due to covid!

The article below (I hope you can read it) nicely sums up why not locking down is not an option, for many reasons.

For those who think it is lives vs economy, you might want to read the academic research of the three economists mentioned in the article, all of who conclude that not locking down is also worse for the economy.

The second wave of Covid has drowned the sceptics’ delusions

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-second-wave-of-covid-has-drowned-the-sceptics-delusions-f6xznkn6h

That sounds interesting but behind a paywall, would you mind copying some of it onto here, especially the economists arguments?

I saw this one on similar lines which is good too.
fullfact.org/health/can-we-believe-lockdown-sceptics/

[quote VanillaSheHer]@TransplantedScouser Everyone dies eventually, doesn’t mean it’s ok to go round killing people.[/quote]
Also only seems to apply to covid patients and not to the cancer patients or heart attack/stroke patients. Perhaps we should just dispense with a health service ad have a palliative care service instead.

I’m sure the lockdown sceptics will be fine. They’ll just delete all their tweets and come up with a new theory.

@Bookriddle

My wife was working last night, of the 11 ICU beds 8 of them had under 40s, in the last few days they have had 2 healthy 22 year old die, they had to deliver a baby prematurely because the 31 year old mum had multiple organ failure due to covid!

It’s so awful.

You can register with the Times to read that article for free (can have limited access). It is a very good article.

@TransplantedScouser

no it doesn't

But if lockdown is to protect the NHS - the best protection for the NHS is to vaccinate the 50/60 year olds first.

They're two separate CV defences. Lockdown protects the NHS, vaccines protect those most at risk of death (because we rightly place a high value on someone's life) AND the NHS (as clinical staff are prioritised).

But if we save the NHS then the rest of us can get back to normal more quickly

@TransplantedScouser

no it doesn't

But if lockdown is to protect the NHS - the best protection for the NHS is to vaccinate the 50/60 year olds first.

So not the large amount of priority group 4 or group 6 people of all ages that are in ICU then?

@Elephant4

“I'm on the fence. I can see both sides. But think this is more about saving the underfunded dying NHS rather than the dying people.”

Sorry I don’t agree with this . Italy have a well respected health service and they can’t cope. The nhs has 100000 staff off isolating or sick .how can any service deal with that ?

Yes the nhs struggles each winter but nothing like this . And they are all doing their best to save lies. If we had no lockdown we would basically have to leave everyone to stay at home and hope they do not die .