Lockdown will claim 560,000 lives. Are lockdown fanatics are killing people.

[Billie18]

Worrying reports coming out indicating that Lockdowns will end up claiming the equivalent of more than 500,000 lives because of the health impact of the 'deep and prolonged recession that they will cause. It has been obvious that restrictive lock down measures will impact on the health of the whole population but concern has been shouted down by those in favor of lockdowns. But will those ignoring the dangers of lockdowns on the entire population be responsible for killing huge numbers of people. Killing far more people than any virus.

@TheDailyCarbunkle

Wow *@StacySoloman* thanks for stating it so baldly. I suspect people felt that way but no one will admit to it.

So if your child, or a child you care about, is killed by lockdown, you'll consider their death worth it?

I don’t want my child to die at all. I think they are hugely more likely to die of the hospitals collapse though and we couldn’t get any treatment if they get meningitis, have an allergic reaction or fall out of a tree. The risk to my children from lockdown is very small in comparison.

How do you track infection in these small areas and what do you do when you find a positive case?

Tracking system I assume relies on people complying with the system, and there were numerous threads on here with people thinking they were clever by giving false names and contact details wherever they went.

@amusedtodeath1

Yeah, I'm thinking anyone who genuinely wanted to discuss this would have at least provided a source. A failure to even establish the premise on which the OP is based in fact leads me to believe that there is an agenda here and that it's more Covid Denying/minimising bullshit.

What source is needed? Surely the fact that lockdown will kill people is as plain as the nose on your face? How is it not completely and totally obvious??

I know no-one killed by covid (that's not to say I won't know anyone, just so far I know nobody who's died from it, which is sheer luck), but I know two people killed by lockdown.

Shutting people away from the sources of support is alone enough to kill people. That's before you factor in recession and job losses.

Why would anyone die because of lockdown? What nonsense is this? Staying at home does not kill people.

So it's not a study or report just a figure you made up to scare people?

Right @StacySoloman so as long as it's not your child that dies, you're ok with it?

So what about the children who will die due to poverty? Are they just acceptable collateral damage?

TheDailyCarbunkle but it is not just the UK that has lockdowns, they are being used worldwide to combat the virus, are all these countries wrong?

I don’t think there is a solution to a global pandemic that doesn’t cost lives. You have to find the solution that costs the least.

@amusedtodeath1

Why would anyone die because of lockdown? What nonsense is this? Staying at home does not kill people.

Oh my god, are people this stupid?

Really?

Do you have any understanding of what the effect of lockdown is on the economy?

What source is needed?

No source needed? Great, then I counter the claim that 560,000 people will be killed by lockdown with the claim that 660,000 people will die if we don’t lockdown.

So you should agree with lockdown.

I suspect you will be a bit more keen on sources and showing working then.

Good luck getting British people to comply with Chinese-style lockdown. Yes it would be a solution, but what happens to people whose jobs/schools/vulnerable relatives live outside their compound?

Any other genius solutions?

@tinselearedcow

TheDailyCarbunkle but it is not just the UK that has lockdowns, they are being used worldwide to combat the virus, are all these countries wrong?

Pretty much all the countries that have lockdowns have had huge infection and death rates. So as a solution it's really not up to much is it?

I don't think anyone denies that lockdowns have terrible consequences, but the consensus worlwide seems to be that they are the least worst option.

@TheDailyCarbunkle

Right *@StacySoloman so as long as it's not your* child that dies, you're ok with it?

So what about the children who will die due to poverty? Are they just acceptable collateral damage?

It’s a pandemic lovely, there isn’t a solution where no one dies (or at least not at this point). So you look for the solution that causes least harm. There may be a low risk of a child dying from poverty, but there is a very high risk of a child dying from childhood illness or accident with no medical attention.

Bloody hell are people really that thick. Yes lockdown do kill people. Mental health is in absolute crisis atm. I know of three reasonably close people who have killed themselves due to lockdown this year. And I can think of another 3 that were friends of friends. Lockdown is absolutely DEVASTATING people's lives. Jesus wept that people can be so stupid and insular and I'm alright Jack.

But if they didn’t have the lockdown, what would their infection and death rates look like then?

Pretty much all the countries that have lockdowns have had huge infection and death rates. So as a solution it's really not up to much is it?

But what would those rates look like without the lockdowns?

@CuntAmongstThePigeons

Bloody hell are people really that thick. Yes lockdown do kill people. Mental health is in absolute crisis atm. I know of three reasonably close people who have killed themselves due to lockdown this year. And I can think of another 3 that were friends of friends. Lockdown is absolutely DEVASTATING people's lives. Jesus wept that people can be so stupid and insular and I'm alright Jack.

I don't think anyone is denying that lockdowns have terrible consequences and will cause deaths and terrible hardship, but in the opinion of experts worldwide.they are the least worst option.

@amusedtodeath1

So it's not a study or report just a figure you made up to scare people?

There are tons of studies out there about the effect of lockdown.

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdown-may-have-indirectly-caused-16-000-excess-deaths-study-12044923

There is zero proof about how many deaths there would be from covid without lockdown, but people accept estimates as fact. Yet when it comes to lockdown, nothing but absolute proof will do.

Potential deaths from covid are an estimate as much as potential deaths from lockdown are an estimate. But if anyone thinks shutting down the economy and denying people basic human support won't cause deaths, then I don't know what to say to them tbh - I can't understand why they would believe that.

Totally agree @TheDailyCarbunkle!

The numbers who would have died without lockdown are considerably worse - not least because you would be able to add on the same or even more who die not from covid but because health services are overwhelmed.

Look at what Angela Merkel says about this, if you don't want to rely on British sources.

@TheDailyCarbunkle why do you think the government has gone for lockdowns? Just wondering what you think the purpose is?

@TheDailyCarbunkle. Well no one needs to starve to death that's for sure. So you reckon half a million people will kill themselves because they're skint? Do you realize that lots of people are already skint and most don't kill themselves? Do you realize that people's mental health is not a convenient excuse for your crackpot idea that lockdown is the worst thing about this? You know that literally THOUSANDS of people are dying EVERYDAY, not because of lockdown, but because of this fucking virus. Provide a source for this fear mongering nonsense or STFU please.

Yet when it comes to lockdown, nothing but absolute proof will do.

Your link says 16,000 deaths. The thread title says 560,000. So not absolute proof, but some kind of working out is needed.

Especially now I’ve clocked who the OP is.

One thing the invention of social media has been great for is to ensure that people feel completely comfortable in asserting with 100% certainty that they know better than everyone else how to respond to situations in respect of which they have literally no relevant skills, knowledge or qualification. It’s quite remarkable.

Half the time I doubt my level of knowledge about the work I’ve spent my entire adult life doing. I can’t imagine the freedom and joy a person must feel in having no doubts whatsoever regarding their position on complex topics that they’ve only just started to Google.