Pimlico plumbers employment dependent on vaccination

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/14/pimlico-plumbers-to-introduce-no-jab-no-job-work-contracts-covid

Apologies if this has already been discussed but haven't seen anything crop up.

Back at the beginning of the Covid fiasco this sort of thing was posited and dismissed.. Now it appears to becoming a reality.

The article does bring up whether it would be enforceable according to current employment legislation.... which begs the question about whether new legislation will be brought in.

Interested to hear people's thoughts on this.

I think it will become nigh on impossible to fly without a vaccine by the end of the year.

Hopefully this is unenforceable.

I hope if people want to fly they have to be vaccinated. We have vaccines when we travel to some parts of Africa etc. Mandatory

Especially for incoming travellers too

But this isn't about having a jab to fly - this is about having to have a jab to do a job in your own country. I think it's the beginning of a slippery slope and I hope it gets knocked on the head, personally.

I don't think vaccines should be mandatory, but for a company like Pimlico Plumbers - well - their employees go into multiple people's homes every day and they want to commit to their customers that their team are vaccinated and do not pose a risk. I can understand that.

I think it’s fair enough if your employment is going into (potentially vulnerable) people’s houses.

I don’t think this would stand up legally and so doubt it’ll happened. I don’t have an issue with it in theory though, for a company where staff members are going in and out of various homes and premises particularly. I could see it becoming part of the risk assessment process for both customers and employees.

People need to stop equating flying with a job ffs! The two are entirely different questions.

Sounds fair enough. He’s already said existing employees don’t need to get it but it’s for new employees.

You can already stipulate requirements of staff. A driving license, a background check, a degree in medicine, why not a vaccine?

They are going day in, day out to other people’s homes. It’s a great selling point for them to say that most of their staff are vaccinated.

If you don’t want to get the jab that’s fine but you can work somewhere else. Just like if you don’t want a driving license that’s fine but you can’t work for a delivery company.

Tbh I think anyone regularly going to a variety of places should have to have one( unless there is a medical reason). Eg truck drivers.

@SexyGiraffe

I don't think vaccines should be mandatory, but for a company like Pimlico Plumbers - well - their employees go into multiple people's homes every day and they want to commit to their customers that their team are vaccinated and do not pose a risk. I can understand that.

But the vaccine is not shown to prevent transmission, so it doesn't reduce the risk

They are going day in, day out to other people’s homes. It’s a great selling point for them to say that most of their staff are vaccinated.

Until the science around post-vaccine transmission is known, what difference does it make to me if a plumber in my house has been vaccinated or not?

"But the vaccine is not shown to prevent transmission, so it doesn't reduce the risk"

No, it is NOT YET PROVEN to prevent transmission (but probably does), so we don't absolutely know that it prevents or at least reduces transmission (but it probably does).

"IT DOESN'T REDUCE TRANSMISSION" is becoming a coded way of saying "I don't want the vaccine and it's MY BUSINESS, how dare people tell me to have it."

I'm getting deja vu on this one.

I remember similar weird chop-logic about masks last year. Myths like "They increase risk!" "You have to perform bizarre sterilization and hygiene rituals to wear masks safely" "They only protect other people not the wearer" were being used by people who just didn't want to wear them.

Yes, by not shown, I mean not proven.

I'm having the fucking vaccine. Don't cast aspersions about people you don't know.

But it is dangerous to pretend a plumber who has been vaccinated is somehow 'safe' WHEN WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO DATA

Exactly. They haven’t yet tested that is reduces transmission but can you think of a single vaccine that stops the person getting ill but doesn’t reduce transmission?

Of course it will, they just have better things to do at the moment than that testing. They were preoccupied with getting the damn thing invented.

The myths got started, one person repeated them, then another, and were still circulating the same myths months after they were refuted.

I can guarantee that even if it turns out that the new vaxes shut down or drastically reduce transmission, people a year from now will STILL be chanting that "They don't stop you passing it on, you know!"

Oh dear.

I think the whole of this sorry episode is a case study in people assuming too much.

I think following science is sensible.

Basically I am in team Whitty/Van Tam, not team Johnson.

My only encounter with this firm was when they tried to encourage me to pay cash to avoid the VAT and presumably so that it would not go through the books. I wouldn't trust anything a fucking tax evader says.

Purely for marketing I would expect, this individual will say anything to get in the press.

@Roselilly36

Purely for marketing

Agree, the guy is looking for free publicity.

Apparently law firms have said it will be nigh on impossible to implemet

They are going day in, day out to other people’s homes. It’s a great selling point for them to say that most of their staff are vaccinated

That's probably not his motivation. He doesn't want any of his plumbers off sick and risking him being able to add to his millions.

I wouldn't trust anything a fucking tax evader says

He also makes all his plumbers be 'self employed' so they don't have any employment rights. Charlie Mullins is just another greedy selfish man.

Agree with the publicity comments above but I feel for his plumbers who're worried for their jobs and don't want the vaccine and think he's serious.

I am shocked that that anyone thinks they will allow some people to jump the queue by offering money to pay for vaccines. Vaccines should only be administered on the NHS, free of charge, and in the correct order.