Why do people think we'll need restrictions after all over 18s have been vaccinated?

[muminthesummer]

I keep reading on here but also heard in mentioned on the news, about restrictions will potentially still be needed into next year. Considering the plan is to vaccinate all over 18s by autumn this confuses me. Could someone please explain.

I shall await my apology....

You said "The vaccine doesn't stop you being a spreader, the vaccine does not give immunity" which is not what your attachment says at all.

It's not yet known if.... does not mean "does not". Would think that was obvious, but clearly not to some.

Cmon op, you know why, there is a lot of catostrophising on here. There has been since it started.

I doubt everyone who needs to be vaccinated will be seen by the start of winter.
And we don't yet know how long the vaccine works for and how potent any mutations might be. It's wise to plan that we might need continued distancing and masks next winter.

I did get covid last year but apart from that no other illnesses and normally I get frequent colds. I think as other pp have said there are things that we can learn from this to minimise spread of all viruses.

Also of course there will be an end point to the restrictions. I'm confident in us reaching the required level to achieve herd immunity but also there will be a point at which society as a whole will learn to live with covid.

Partly scientific illiteracy, as perfectly illustrated by a PP who is convinced that “it’s not yet known” if it prevents transmission means “it does not prevent transmission “.

I think the intentional scare tactics from the government (remember the Sage document from March that said ‘a substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened’?) have led to a lot of people being terrified of catching covid, even if the risk to them of death or serious illness is very low. So now they are desperate to avoid catching covid, even if the vaccine can make the risk of illness even smaller.

@Zogstart
Restrictions will be dropped once the pressure on the NHS is relieved. Up till now the narrative the government have been pushing is the risk to each of us as an individual. This is purely to get us to comply. They don’t care about an individual getting sick, more the fact that they can’t allow us all to get it at once. Yes there will be people who either cannot have the vaccine or refuse it, since the virus will still be circulating among children these people will still be at risk of getting sick but as long as there are beds for them, there won’t be restrictions to stop this. It will become like the flu, manageable. And hopefully the NHS will have better funding going forward to cope with bad flu and covid years

This. When they say "Save the NHS" that is what they mean. Save the NHS system from not being able to cope, as in not look bad, and the gov not look bad because of covid, both in the UK and the world.

I would also go a little further.
It seems to me, and people can disagree if they want, they are "letting out" or "allowing" or "encouraging" certain groups out almost one at a time. At the moment it is those under 18. It has been workers, shoppers, uni students etc .
The obvious group left is those who are elderly.

@Sarahandduck18

Isn’t there a stat that 40% of people intend to refuse the vaccine? That is too many for there to be heard immunity.

Plus if it mutates the vulnerable may need to be vaccinated every year like with the flu.

If people choose to refuse the vaccination then like hell am I going to continue with restrictions to protect them!

C’mon they’re obviously going to push the whole ‘we don’t know if it stops transmission’ now when there’s many many still to be vaccinated. They can’t have all the over 80’s being the new superspreaders Once the main groups are done I would be very surprised if the science doesn’t show that the vaccine stops transmission.

Not known @combatbarbie Not known.

It is not known if the vaccine prevents transmission.

It's not known if I will scream in sheer frustration at some messages on this board but if I were a betting woman I'd put my saving on it.

OK so my wording was wrong, but from my extract, not known is enough for me.... If they said it will give you immunity we wouldn't have so much hysteria. This document has been sent MOD wide, and suggests that you may still get COVID but will not have as severe symptoms. That is not a cure its a preventative measure which is why they are saying restrictions will carry on.

@combatbarbie

OK so my wording was wrong, but from my extract, not known is enough for me.... If they said it will give you immunity we wouldn't have so much hysteria. This document has been sent MOD wide, and suggests that you may still get COVID but will not have as severe symptoms. That is not a cure its a preventative measure which is why they are saying restrictions will carry on.

That's what a vaccine is - a preventative measure.

And if the most vulnerable have been vaccinated and are thus no longer at risk of severe illness, why should the economy continue to be thrashed? Not to mention that it's highly likely that the vaccines will in fact reduce if not entirely eliminate transmission. It's just that we don't have the evidence to say for sure at this point in time.

But this has already been pointed out to you, hasn't it?

This document has been sent MOD wide, and suggests that you may still get COVID but will not have as severe symptoms.

Yes, because this is what is known and proven to be true. To offer reassurance beyond the parameters of the current research is madness.

There is good reason to think the vaccine will have sterilising immunity - although this is not proven as the research model needs to change to prove it to be true.

When you waltz about saying that the vaccine offers no sterilising immunity you have no evidence of this because it is not proven to be true.

The question was why will we need restrictions after vaccinations.....

Because it is not yet proved it will give immunity or stop the spread. That is why the restrictions will likely still be here in the winter.

FFS stop twisting what I've said. People that are ranting saying "it's a proven vaccine so once I've had it I'm free to do what I want" are the same as the conspiracy theorists. And this new strain is a curve ball which requires more investigations.

Because it is not yet proved it will give immunity or stop the spread. That is why the restrictions will likely still be here in the winter.

Again: Why?

If the most at risk have been vaccinated - which they will be well before next winter - why would we need to continue to destroy the economy because some people might catch a virus which is likely to give them only a mild illness?

FFS stop twisting what I've said. People that are ranting saying "it's a proven vaccine so once I've had it I'm free to do what I want" are the same as the conspiracy theorists.

No. People are challenging you for persistently spreading misinformation.

And this new strain is a curve ball which requires more investigations.

You must not be keeping up with the news. All the evidence suggests that the new strains will not greatly affect the efficacy of the vaccines.

The vaccine doesn't stop you being a spreader, the vaccine does not give immunity

^^ This is what you said, yesterday. There's no twisting.

I'm not sure one person has said that they can do as they please following the vaccine. Posters have said that once we see a fall in hospitalisations and deaths that there may be a change to restrictions. There is good reason to think that there will be some sterilising effects of the vaccines, so much the better.