Sir Keir Starmer calling for nursery closure!

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Sorry I’m not sure how to link this but it’s on BBC news.

Shutting nurseries and putting KW with childminders doesn’t resolve issue for non KW

Fortunately Whitty / numbers don’t support closure.

@MarshaBradyo

Shutting nurseries and putting KW with childminders doesn’t resolve issue for non KW

Fortunately Whitty / numbers don’t support closure.

Nurseries and childminders. Some nurseries were open, too. And the post I answered was about keyworkers.

[quote MessAllOver]@Tanith. So is that what you're suggesting this time around? Key worker parents should send their very young children to be cared for by complete strangers with no settling in?[/quote]
I did this last time and it was expensive because I had to pay 5 days and it was a more expensive nursery. I didn't feel so bad because my daughter was only a year old. Now she is 2 I just don't want to do that to her again if I don't absolutely have to and also I cant afford it now. I appreciate this is not all about me and my child.

But it is hard

We should keep nurseries open. In London so many people have had covid or have it that we are almost getting to herd immunity anyway that Ferguson man has said and we need parents able to work with nurseries open to afford to pay the wages of teachers - we need the tax income from working parents of under 5s. Also it is much nicer for a child who is used to a nursery to keep up their routine particularly if parents are coping with a lot of difficulties at home.

Also as said above if nurseries close grandparents will have to look after grand children which is not great in terms of cv19 infection risks. On another thread someone mentioned school age child with retired doctor grandparents who wanted to give the vaccinations but now had had to withdraw in order to care for school aged primary stage grandchild as the parents work full time.

@Tyranttoddler

But it is hard

It is If it's any consolation, the children do settle very quickly.

@MarshaBradyo non KW parents need to crack on at home and look after their own children whilst we are in the middle of a global pandemic with over 80,000 dead. It’s about having respect for others and not being lazy and selfish.

You may have coped but what about the children? A few weeks with you and then, just as they're beginning to bond with their caregivers, whipped out and put back in their original settings?

It took my DS a while to settle in at the very good nursery that we had chosen for him. There's no way I'd take him away from his friends and the familiar staff who he loves and put him in a completely strange place where he doesn't know anyone. I just wouldn't do it to continue working if I had another choice (including taking unpaid leave).

[quote SendHelp30]@MarshaBradyo non KW parents need to crack on at home and look after their own children whilst we are in the middle of a global pandemic with over 80,000 dead. It’s about having respect for others and not being lazy and selfish.[/quote]
Stop it. You are being ridiculous.

Do you work in a nursery ?

@SendHelp30. non KW parents need to crack on at home and look after their own children whilst we are in the middle of a global pandemic with over 80,000 dead. It’s about having respect for others and not being lazy and selfish.

What you really mean is that non KW parents need to make a choice - either child neglect or stop working.

There's nothing lazy and selfish about being unable to work two jobs simultaneously.

[quote SendHelp30]@MarshaBradyo non KW parents need to crack on at home and look after their own children whilst we are in the middle of a global pandemic with over 80,000 dead. It’s about having respect for others and not being lazy and selfish.[/quote]
It's not lazy or selfish for those who didn't magically predict this and chose a job which is now considered key to want to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table.

@MarshaBradyo yep. Finance manager.

@MessAllOver

You may have coped but what about the children? A few weeks with you and then, just as they're beginning to bond with their caregivers, whipped out and put back in their original settings?

It took my DS a while to settle in at the very good nursery that we had chosen for him. There's no way I'd take him away from his friends and the familiar staff who he loves and put him in a completely strange place where he doesn't know anyone. I just wouldn't do it to continue working if I had another choice (including taking unpaid leave).

Yep! Evil childminders, aren't we?

The children have coped perfectly well. I'm still in touch with them, since we built up a bond with the families over those two months.
Not for you? OK - don't use it.
Settling in sessions are a relatively new thing, though, and many Early Years settings are now not allowing parents through the door. That's affecting new starters.

[quote SendHelp30]@MarshaBradyo yep. Finance manager.[/quote]
Is your nursery ok with you wanting parents to pull out their children and stop paying fees?

@SendHelp30 you've got a nerve. WE DID IT FOR MONTHS last Spring. DH and I worked round the clock (6am to midnight) for weeks and weeks. The kids were still babysat by the tv much more than they should have been. We said no to the offer of grandparent care in the spirit of following the rules and protecting others.
Meanwhile we pay taxes to fund services we haven't used, have faced redundancy, covered furloughed colleagues. It's been awful. Oh, and are at sod all risk from Covid - but WE'RE selfish!? You absolute lunatic. Sod off.

@Same4Walls you work from home and you look after your child. I’m doing it today with 3 children at home; 2 with SEN. You wake up earlier then the children and do a couple or hours work. You give them breakfast and let them play in the garden after / go for a short walk. You spend some time home schooling / doing an activity with the younger / SEN children. They sit down for lunch and do puzzles together after while you do some more work.... it’s about having a routine.
When the children are in bed or settled in the evening you do some more work. How is this not common sense.

I think the nerve is coming from the people who are attacking Early Years workers for using their keyworker places, actually.

@MarshaBradyo absolutely. We’re all parents ourselves and understand it. There are grants in place for early years setting to claim back for loss of fees during closure.

[quote SendHelp30]@Same4Walls you work from home and you look after your child. I’m doing it today with 3 children at home; 2 with SEN. You wake up earlier then the children and do a couple or hours work. You give them breakfast and let them play in the garden after / go for a short walk. You spend some time home schooling / doing an activity with the younger / SEN children. They sit down for lunch and do puzzles together after while you do some more work.... it’s about having a routine.
When the children are in bed or settled in the evening you do some more work. How is this not common sense.[/quote]
So no client meetings then all day? Where you have to be present without interruption?

You have little idea for a finance manager I’m a nursery on why people bother to pay nursery fees. Are you a cheap nursery?

Parents are not lazy who work full time in work at home that may not by law be done with a child in the room ( eg confidential work although of course a baby cannot hear the telephone calls but their noise means your work cannot be done). These working parents and nursery workers are anything but lazy. All these people are very very hard working.

It was the hardest phase of my life working full time with small babies. I remember forcing myself up every Saturday at 5.30am to get up to 2 hours of work done at home before the baby twins woke up for their first breastfeed. Even that time on Saturday became a core part of my working day.

@CocoPark so you do it again. Until we’re over the worst and dont have hundreds of people dying every day. Or is it ok for your children’s carers to risk death and illness, not just for themselves but for their own families, because your job is clearly more important than theirs?

@Tanith. Yes, I wouldn't do that to my young child. I don't think key workers should be expected to do that to their children either. Either we keep all nurseries open (either for all children or for key workers' children with the government making up the loss of funding) or we offer key worker parents furlough for childcare reasons and accept we will have less doctors, nurses and other key workers at a time we badly need them.

My DS has a wonderful bond with the staff at his nursery and his face lights up when he sees them in the morning, but that bond took time to develop. I'm not going to "warehouse" him in another facility to continue working and I don't think key workers should be expected to do the same either.

[quote SendHelp30]@MarshaBradyo absolutely. We’re all parents ourselves and understand it. There are grants in place for early years setting to claim back for loss of fees during closure.[/quote]
There is no closure.

So people will pay and use your service. If that is too galling for you. Leave

[quote SendHelp30]@Same4Walls you work from home and you look after your child. I’m doing it today with 3 children at home; 2 with SEN. You wake up earlier then the children and do a couple or hours work. You give them breakfast and let them play in the garden after / go for a short walk. You spend some time home schooling / doing an activity with the younger / SEN children. They sit down for lunch and do puzzles together after while you do some more work.... it’s about having a routine.
When the children are in bed or settled in the evening you do some more work. How is this not common sense.[/quote]
Well whilst it's great that you can pick and choose the hours jn the day you work some people don't have that luxery and it's honestly mind blowing that this needs explaining to anyone.

Some companies need their staff to work during set hours even if they are working from home. They don't just get to decide to work when their child naps or after they have gone to bed.

@MarshaBradyo no we have our monthly board meetings via zoom at 7pm. My children are in their rooms or with my husband then.