Sir Keir Starmer calling for nursery closure!

[Boogie5678]

Sorry I’m not sure how to link this but it’s on BBC news.

I cannot offer survival tips.

March was a absolute nightmare for me i made so many mistakes at work and nearky had a breakdown.

There is no flexibility as we deliver to clients who pay our wages, the pressure is full on.

@IrishMamaMia

Some posters on this seem sneery about working mothers and just seem a bit too happy about us having the support we pay for taken away. Has come up previously on MN.

Absolutely. It’s glaringly obvious in some posts. Literally dripping with disdain.

Given the pictures of adults congregating at parks, beaches and sodding food markets, I will be livid if again children pay the price for adult stupidity.

I've already shared my tip... strap your child in the buggy, turn on the TV, close the door on them and ignore the crying. It really does work. I managed to get through a whole 2 hour meeting that way.

@MessAllOver

I’m not sure why you keep posting that, nothing to be proud of really

[quote OverTheRainbow88]@MessAllOver

I’m not sure why you keep posting that, nothing to be proud of really[/quote]
Because that's the reality of expecting people to work from home and care for a toddler. Either they dont do their job properly and they then inevitably get fired or the toddler is neglected. You can't do both well so one part has to suffer.

[quote OverTheRainbow88]@MessAllOver

I’m not sure why you keep posting that, nothing to be proud of really[/quote]
Why, shouldnt she when its this is whats being advocated by some people?

nothing to be proud of really

I don’t think she’s suggesting it’s something to be proud of.

It’s a fairly horrifying reflection of what people were forced to do.

Worth repeating til it sinks in.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers I feel the same also the idiots that got together over Xmas 😡

@OverTheRainbow88 - I thought it brought home quite clearly and very vividly the reality of trying to work with a very small child.

Well he’s lost my vote then. Utterly tone deaf to the realities of working parents’ (for which read women’s) lives, not to mention small children’s developmental needs

But he will potentially win many more votes from the vast majority of the population who are not currently parents of nursery and primary school aged children.

At a population level, and that is the level at which we make decisions about covid, it's looking like closing nurseries is the next logical step in controlling the virus.

This isn’t going to be a jovial thread with survival tips. Everyone that’s already done it knows it was awful, has tried everything previously suggested and struggled during summer when the weather was nice. Knowing that it was shit last time makes it harder psychologically knowing the weather is much worse.

At a population level, and that is the level at which we make decisions about covid, it's looking like closing nurseries is the next logical step in controlling the virus.

Unless I've missed it, I don't think I've actually seen any evidence it would actually make a difference in infection levels.

@Same4Walls it won't make any difference at all.

Private nurseries will have to close, no doubt.
People will lose jobs
People will suffer mevtal health issues / breakdowns
Young children will not be safe.

I say just keep them open for people who are wfh if they need to reduce numbers.

it won't make any difference at all.

I agree and I really don't think it will which is why I'm curious what some posters who believe it's the next biggest hot-spot for transmission are basing this information on.

Well he’s lost my vote then. Utterly tone deaf to the realities of working parents’ (for which read women’s) lives, not to mention small children’s developmental needs

But will likely gain far more from those who want this to get better and for people to be safe. Group gatherings cause spread and put workers at risk. Their lives matter more than childcare for others.

At a population level, and that is the level at which we make decisions about covid, it's looking like closing nurseries is the next logical step in controlling the virus.

Really? Meat processing plants and factories making cheap clothes are still open, and also have been key spreading environments in a way that nurseries generally haven't, but God forbid anyone go without their Boohoo delivery or eat lentils for a few weeks hey.

Worth repeating til it sinks in.

Agree that people who are advocating this need to understand what it means. Otherwise they run away with the idea that it's a special time with salt dough hand prints and women realising that they didn't really want jobs anyway

@GoldenOmber

At a population level, and that is the level at which we make decisions about covid, it's looking like closing nurseries is the next logical step in controlling the virus.

Really? Meat processing plants and factories making cheap clothes are still open, and also have been key spreading environments in a way that nurseries generally haven't, but God forbid anyone go without their Boohoo delivery or eat lentils for a few weeks hey.

Its not even totally unfeasible for supermarkets to set up a booking system for people to prebook a visit or even close them altogether and utilise staff to create more click and collect / home delivery slots.

@OverTheRainbow88. It's the only strategy I found that allowed me to do my job properly and prevent my toddler coming to harm.

If it's a choice between this and leaving small children free to wander off out of the house onto the road, jump off sofas or flood the house by starting the bath taps, I know which one I'd pick.

@HazelWong

Worth repeating til it sinks in.

Agree that people who are advocating this need to understand what it means. Otherwise they run away with the idea that it's a special time with salt dough hand prints and women realising that they didn't really want jobs anyway

Agreed.

But he will potentially win many more votes from the vast majority of the population who are not currently parents of nursery and primary school aged children

Well I hope young people and their parents remember who threw them under the bus. It’s like Brexit all over again; lots of (mainly) older people with no skin in the game pronouncing on the sacrifices the younger generations must make in order to fulfil their political agenda.

And I also hope those people calling for ever tougher lockdowns are willing to contribute to the massive post-Covid rebuilding effort that will be needed to get the economy back on its feet and support the younger generations who have lost out financially, educationally, developmentally and in terms of mental health and well-being.

@HazelWong

Worth repeating til it sinks in.

Agree that people who are advocating this need to understand what it means. Otherwise they run away with the idea that it's a special time with salt dough hand prints and women realising that they didn't really want jobs anyway

Totally

@Same4Walls

it won't make any difference at all.

I agree and I really don't think it will which is why I'm curious what some posters who believe it's the next biggest hot-spot for transmission are basing this information on.

Absolutely - I asked similar down the thread, was informed the information was easy to find on Google. The data I found showed that about 2% or less of early years settings reported cases, compared to up to 30% of secondary schools. The poster who told me it was easy to find the data to show why nurseries should close,on Google, hasn't been back with any other data that shows nurseries are the cause of high transmission.

Before nurseries are shut, I agree they need to be looking at the data to show what would make a difference - I'm sure that factories, warehouses, employers that refuse to allow staff who could work from home, public transport and supermarkets are all higher transmission areas than nurseries. Or are we just going to shut nurseries and then wonder why it didn't work to reduce transmission.