Sir Keir Starmer calling for nursery closure!

[Boogie5678]

Sorry I’m not sure how to link this but it’s on BBC news.

@User5437

Maybe the playpen will make a comeback

Already bought ours. DS is 23 months and a typical toddler. He’s watching far too much tv but what the fuck are we meant to do?

@GypsyLee - so do you reckon my DH (GP) should stop vaccinating patients to do childcare, or should I stop training medical students who are going onto wards? Since it is after all our responsibility to sort childcare.

@SchnitzelVonCrummsTum
What about this choice?
Do you want nursery staff in the nurseries looking after your children because they feel safe?
Do you want to work from home supervising your own children because the nursery staff don’t feel safe?

This thread has shown that the decisions are often easier to make if you put them into a sentence where the impact on you is the key element.

@GypsyLee Why do women do this to one another?

Some jobs can't be done with small children around, and they can't not be done, either. A bit of understanding all round wouldn't go amiss. Most of us on here are parents and either have or have had small children. Whether we've been SAHPs or worked f/t or p/t, we all know that it is not possible to work effectively and look after small children at the same time. If parents have to work, someone else has to look after the children. I can't believe anyone needs to say this.

@BustopherPonsonbyJones - is this in reference to the vax point or the one about which of us gives up our job?

I'm a key worker and a single parent of 3yo. I was shocked nurseries were still open but I'm delighted and hope to keep him in as long as possible. I work 4 days and have him home with me 1 day whilst I work. I couldn't do much more than that because of the guilt trying to work and look after him.

Whatever is needed

@SchnitzelVonCrummsTum
Vaccine choice.

@rustyhinges. Do you have toddler age kids?

It's not that easy just to take it in turns if you are in conference calls - if only it was that simple!!

Also having to home educate older children too

You haven't a clue!! 🙄

The point of vaccines is to reduce morbidity, mortality and pressure on the health service. I am framing my argument around what pattern of vaccination would be most likely to achieve this e.g. the number needed to treat to prevent one death.

I mentioned how much I like the nursery staff ... because I do. But the point of a vaccination programme is not, regrettably, to make people feel safe.

But the point of a vaccination programme is not, regrettably, to make people feel safe.

Our notion of what is safe / unsafe will change soon anyway.

@SchnitzelVonCrummsTum

I completely agree with you. When we have evidence around transmission in vaccinated people we will be able to make informed decisions based in that data. For now all we know is that the vaccines prevent serious illness.

Replying to "children of sahm should not go to nursery"

I’d argue most people are thinking about the children @Jacketpotato84 how to keep them safe and how to educate/ look after them whilst working. Which is a complete impossibility.

There has to be some give somewhere to allow parents to look after their children if nurseries (and schools) close and a package to ensure they are still there in the future.

[quote SchnitzelVonCrummsTum]@GypsyLee - so do you reckon my DH (GP) should stop vaccinating patients to do childcare, or should I stop training medical students who are going onto wards? Since it is after all our responsibility to sort childcare.[/quote]
Your kids, don't ask me.
What would you do if one of you lost your job, or heaven forbid couldn't work anymore.
Get real, you have kids and have to sort it between you.
You are lucky there are two of you, sp with no alternative need the spaces, if they stay open at all.
I along with many others think schools and nurseries should be closed not lip service being given to close.

I wish they’d just do a proper lockdown for two months, have a heavy push on vaccines and administer a universal basic income for every single person while we are under lockdown. Then the economy can reopen and things can get back to normal or should I say a new normal

Gypsy do you mean closed to everyone including keyworker and vulnerable dc

Do you have any dc?

I get that but then children who get support is dependent on the parents job title.. is that fair on the children?

Maybe some parents need to look into their priority further more.. does your job allbiet that you worked really hard for and enjoy or your children's wellbeing and education most important?

@SchnitzelVonCrummsTum

But you can’t then complain if you have to supervise your own toddler when the nursery staff refuse to work because they feel unsafe.

Your ‘liking’ of the staff matters not a jot when the female nursery worker aged 48, gets long Covid, can’t work and has no income. I would say fighting for them to have the vaccine makes more sense IF you want them to provide childcare.

Get real, you have kids and have to sort it between you.

This is such a crap simplistic viewpoint spouted by people who dont actually need childcare. Presumably the majority of those using nurseries do so because they need the childcare and they have factored their jobs on the basis of this childcare being available. Removing the childcare doesn't suddenly mean there is a bloody alternative, presumably they would be using that fucking alternative if it was available.

It seems everyone’s finances are more important than the lives of Early Years workers.
Are most nursery workers lives at stake though? I know a hell of a lot of people livelihoods are at stake.
Someone else mentioned that they feel "sick with fear" when they go to work in a nursery? Can I ask why? If you are diabetic, or over 70, or very obese and over 50, or undergoing chemo, could you not get furloughed on those grounds? I genuinely don't know, so would be interested to find out.
I am asking this because when my dc were at nursery the vast majority of nursery staff were 18-30 years old, so not really in any great danger. In fact, statistically most of those young women were in more danger of dying at the hands their boyfriends whilst at home than of Covid they caught at work.

@MarshaBradyo

Gypsy do you mean closed to everyone including keyworker and vulnerable dc

Do you have any dc?

Definitely, we are in a pandemic. It's like asking hitler not to bomb your nursery because you need your childcare. We have the kids it's up to us to care for them. It's not ideal, of course, but we need shut of the virus as much as possible so we can get back to whatever the normal will be. Yes, I have a dd taking A levels, Y12. I'd rather her be in school, but if she can't, she can't. I also have gc who have been affected, it's tough for many.