F**k me

[notevenat20]

In case anyone was doubting that we should stay home, take a look at www.covidmessenger.com/. The columns to compare is the one third from the right which is the most recent week and the one second from the right, which is the week before.

Oh shit.

I've said this on other threads but if anyone wants a real picture of the transmission of this virus look at IOW.

It is now 30th out of 315 LAs for cases.

Only 1 of 3 places to remain in tier 1 originally.

[quote Lemons1571]@drinkingwineoutofamug wouldn’t it be about now to see the Xmas effect? 5 days incubation takes you to 30th December, plus 8 days to get really ill - 7th / 8th January?[/quote]
It can be up to 10 days incubation.
So mixing over Xmas . May not feel ill till 28/29/30. Stay at home 8-9 days after feeling poorly. You need hospital treatment.
From personal experience working on the wards,
Of course it varies
I can only go off experience. And those experiences maybe different for someone working in a different trust or different part of the country.
We have to remember as well it effects different people in different ways.
I've looked after positive patients who look and feel fine.
I've looked after patients that within a week of admission are in end of life.
It's bollocks which ever way you look at it

@WeAllHaveWings

scaremonger is someone who spreads worrying rumours or needlessly alarms people while fearmonger is someone who spreads fear, or needlessly raises the alarm

It isn't scaremongering - it is facts not rumours

It isn't fearmongering - There are people out there who are still oblivious as they haven't personally known someone seriously ill or worse. If it makes a couple of people think again about stretching the restrictions and it breaks a chain then it was worth posting. If you have already seen the figures and don't want to read again, then simply walk on by (but in your local area and for exercise only).

This.

There appear to be many people who aren’t watching the news and are oblivious to the facts, thus still travelling to beauty spots for exercise, meeting people, going to numerous shops for ‘essentials’.

I haven’t personally known anyone become ill though it yet but I have still taken it very seriously from the start, and haven’t seen family for almost a year now.

I don't suppose it really matters where the mutant strain originated from, the fact is it is here now and is very much more transmissible.

[quote Seychelles98]@notevenat20 I'm not surprised the Isle of Man is in lockdown again! My daughter saw loads of SnapChat stories on NYE there in Douglas and other towns on the Island of at least 100 / 200 people partying closely together and hugging etc in what looked like various hotels / pubs / community centres... these were separate 'lots' of about 100 / 200 each so was more like 1000 people! There isn't much talk about the IOM so I wondered then if they didn't have restrictions in place or even Covid there![/quote]
My understanding is that the IOM kept it's borders closed all along, so they can meet in large groups, etc. The island was covid free because they maintained the strict border rules.

They have very stringent rules for people returning home to the island, and also tight restrictions on the necessary contractors to ensure that covid doesn't arrive on the island.

Hence the fuss in the papers last year when a group of contractors ignored the rules they had physically signed to stick to, and a couple of them were jailed for two weeks. At least one tested positive for covid, and they could have spread it among the population.

Well this is a turnaround. It was obvious from November, if not much earlier, what was going to happen with schools open and no mitigation measures. Teachers were reviled and accused of being enemies of education whenever they asked for schools to be made safer, not least by the OP of this thread.
But good to get more publicity for the excellent Covid Messenger site.

I don't know if this is significant. On the linked website our council area shows a massive increase in the figures over the two most recent seven day periods reported there, but on our local council website it shows a steady decrease over the last 4 days.

The council website is updated daily so is more up to date. I'm hoping this isn't just a blip and we could be perhaps beginning to see cases coming down. I'm not holding my breath though!

Some interesting comments.
There are definitely people out and about who think it wont be bad for them and they dont worry about anyone else.
Friend of mine thought that and ended giving it to her MIL who nearly died and now has life changing issues.

It's nothing to be worried about until it affects you, eh?

People should be afraid and should be 2m SD, washing hands, mask etc and not going out to buy cushions and house plants. WTAF.

Fearmongering is about exaggerated rumours... these are hard facts! Discussing them doesn’t make them less true - sadly

This and below- 100% agree

I feel much more fear from reading people posting about how they dismiss facts relating to coronavirus than I do reading the actual facts. So countessfrog you have successfully stoked up fear here, thanks.

I find it utterly terrifying how so many people are determined to shut down discussions about the truth and the reality we all face.

People doing this must bear some responsibility for those who don't understand the seriousness of the current situation.

The levels where I live are about 2/5 of the levels in November. I’m still abiding by lockdown rules but it does grate a bit.

It's awful. I knew things were bad but this really hits it home. Thanks for sharing op.

Qualified professional doctors stating that half of their patients in critical care departments are below 50 without underlying conditions (which is what not qualifying for the vaccine means) - those people are not scaremongering, they are stating facts.

Covid messenger is brilliant - it's so much easier to digest and the compare and contrast between last 7 days and most recent (for data) 7 days is great.

My area has more than doubled when you compare these periods. Now we're well over 1,000 per 100k per 7 days.

Other than the Isle of Wight and Richmond, no real surprise to me.

Qualified professional doctors stating that half of their patients in critical care departments are below 50 without underlying conditions (which is what not qualifying for the vaccine means) - those people are not scaremongering, they are stating facts.

This seems to suggest a change in vaccination strategy is needed. They need to ramp it up fast, or do something, otherwise we're still going to have so much strain on the NHS even when priority groups vaccinated.

@TwirlingTwizzler ive always stayed at home when I have had to, don't even shop unless online so i am already strict will just go back to being even more strict

@CountessFrog

Didn’t you already know this? It’s been on the news.

Your post is fear mongering. We’ve all stocked up on that already, thanks.

Definition of fear mongering:

the action of intentionally trying to make people afraid of something when this is not necessary or reasonable:

So not fear mongering.

The fearmongering does not come from discussing statistics or the reality of the situation.

The fearmongering comes from titling your thread 'Fuck me' and stating 'Oh shit' in the OP.

Let's not pretend the use of swearing isn't meant to produce a response.

Isn't the WHOLE POINT of MN that you're allowed to swear?!!

@Emeeno1

The fearmongering does not come from discussing statistics or the reality of the situation.

The fearmongering comes from titling your thread 'Fuck me' and stating 'Oh shit' in the OP.

Let's not pretend the use of swearing isn't meant to produce a response.

No. You are conflating OP's personal reaction with deliberately misleading others in order to frighten them.

The fact that information makes you scared does not mean that the information is scaremongering.

I’m not sure why this is a surprise?
What did people think would happen after the Christmas mix ups?
Makes a mockery of the claims that most people are sticking to the rules.

@Tiktokersmiracle

Lockdown won't change things for at least 2 weeks You can thank our twatty PM and the stupid relaxing of rules at Christmas. But it's ok cos Boris clapped for the NHS.

Or blame the people who didn't think for themselves and just went out and mixed.

You do better. This is a difficult situation and it would have been hard for whoever was in charge.

@notevenat20

No. The dim thing is not to have expected to be where we are now from what we did in September

That is an amazing scientific claim. Are you really saying that schools opening in September in the UK caused the b117 variant?

Well yes, pretty much. The more transmission there is the greater the likelihood of the emergence of an advantageous mutation. Allowing the virus to spread in schools and hence into the rest of the population may very well resulted in the new strain.

Rubbish
Boris has mishandled this from the word go. Countries and the WHO (and they aren't blameless for their covering for China) were screaming for him to take action and he didn't. He approached it in the manner of someone standing on a railway line with a train travelling at speed behind, who is sure it won't hit him despite people telling him to get off the tracks. Unfortunately, he had us all standing there with him, and so far 80,000 people have died due to his stupidity, and that's without the people who have lost their jobs, homes and security, long covid sufferers and people who will suffer illnesses that the NHS can't handle.
People look to their elected representatives for what to do. He knew people were desperate for normality and to see relatives and friends. Even the Royals have broken the rules.
It should not be blamed on the have nots when the haves have continually naffed off to Dubai, had hair cuts done under lockdown, even gone into different tiers on a PR exercise train journey. Yet two women out for a walk are fined.
If you want people to comply, then make sure everyone is made to comply.

It is nowhere like Spanish flu.

While it's not "the flu", the rate of infection and mortality is very much like Spanish Flu. There is a graph on the Netflix documentary which clearly shows this. The vertical line is mortality, the horizontal line how infectious. It has examples of infectious diseases dotted about the graph and the closest to Covid is Spanish Flu